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Reply #15 - Sep 24th, 2011, 8:07am
 
Quote from Cara_131386 on Sep 24th, 2011, 6:14am:
To know specifically why is constructive, I guess I was caught off guard and felt it was rather rude.  To be able to gracefully or tactfully let someone know why I think is my point.  When it's done so bluntly and without regard to one's feelings seems cold.  Perhaps its me being too sensitive.  I would like to know some other card sites similar to greeting card universe that I can look into.  Don't get me wrong I still really like GCU, specifically a good run with them for the last 4 yrs.  Hopefully I can stay here a bit longer as well.  Donna..I will try to somehow post the card somewhere not sure where to go to put it.  They have deleted the card so its not accessable anymore but I might still have the original on my hard drive.

 
Hi Cara,
I've said this before, but thought it worth passing on once again.  We all need to remember that what we read in an email or on a forum/blog post has no human emotion behind it.  We don't hear the inflection in the voice or see the expression on a face, so our minds and hearts add it for us . . . often making a statement that was made in the hurry of someone who has hundreds of these email to get out every day into something that evokes emotion that they had no intention of relaying. So, all of us need to try and remember that the rude or curt meaning being the email is what we read into it, not necessarily that in which it was sent.    
 
I don't know what words you would have them choose that would be 'less cold' and make you feel better.  Cluttered, busy and lacking of commercial appeal are industry standard terms in art acceptance/decline.
 
Hope this helps . . . hang in there girl!!  
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Reply #16 - Sep 24th, 2011, 8:18am
 
Part of the problem I think is the interpretation of the design - I looked at the card via the "other" website - it's different and unique and a style all her own.  It's art.  Some will like it, others not.  I am no expert but perhaps the reviewer's email could be taken as "opinionated" as I read it again and I can understand that sentiment of feeling hurt having been there myself.  I'm trying to learn from the declines I myself have had but yes - when you put a lot into the designs and try to make them all your own and recognizable as your own, then I can understand the hurt Cara might be feeling.
 
I know it's all about business, but it doesn't take away that hurt to have your work called as hers was if she's shooting for a style all her own.
 
Cara, I really don't know what to say - your card is indeed different and unique.  I'd submit it to the Critique Forum and get a few more sets of eyes looking at it to see if you can address what the reviewer feels it needs to make it a seller on GCU.  If not, try seeing if it sells elsewhere.  I haven't had a chance to submit or follow recent discussions on the critique forum but I really appreciate the helpful hints of the experienced professionals who volunteer to lend a hand to helping us spruce up cards that are not making it for the new standards - and you yourself did admit it could use some sprucing up.  It couldn't hurt to ask for some additional opinions or you have the ability to post it elsewhere for sale.
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Reply #17 - Sep 24th, 2011, 8:24am
 
Yes you are so right.  We cannot get the voice influctions!  Great point.  I realize they are busy people and when I opened and read the email its just how it struck me and I cannot put it any more simple than that.  I am a very compassionate human being and can always see most sides to things.  I can give the reviewers the benefit of the doubt, of course.  It's all in the way you chose to look at things.  A little bit of compassion and kindness go a very long way in this busy & stressful world.   While your point is very well taken, I still feel I have a valid point Smiley  It's amazing how soft words & a smile can make someone's day.  On the flip side of that coin some words can and do hit us wrong.  Some people need to make a point to show more kindness, especially when you are basically giving them bad news.  Thank you very much for your kind words and for helping me to see yet another side!
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Reply #18 - Sep 24th, 2011, 11:56am
 
Just to add another opinion to the pot ...
 
I must say, I would rather have an explanation even if I do not agree with it than a cold D without any explanation - I would consider it extremely disrespectful.
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Reply #19 - Sep 24th, 2011, 2:05pm
 
Hi Cara
 
I don't know whether this might help, but last week I had a card that I had customised for a customer 'relegated' to my private gallery as the reviewers decided it was too 'cluttered' to be 'marketable' - which doesn't really make any sense as it was exactly what my customer wanted and she wrote a nice testimonial on my storefront as a result!
 
I did actually agree with the reviewers' opinion - it was too cluttered for my taste. But the whole point is that tastes differ and it seems that decisions are made on the basis of differing tastes as it's even harder to be objective when it comes to non-photographic designs, where there are at least a few 'rules' about photography that can be followed.
 
If GCU could give us some firm guidelines as to what they are looking for in non-photographic designs, we would at least know not to bother with the work of not only creating but uploading, tagging, describing etc certain types of designs. I don't have any clear idea of what the reviewers would think 'marketable' and what they would decline - except that it seems they don't like 'cluttered', even though some customers do - and that they have to be 'well drawn', which is, again, a matter of opinion.
 
When one submits designs to a publisher, there are generally some clear indicators of the type of thing they are looking for.  For instance, I wouldn't submit a watercolour floral design to a publisher who deals in digitally created cartoons or vintage photographs!  
 
But GCU's slogan is 'any card imaginable' - which signals to me that there is no particular type of card that they would decline. Maybe they should think about changing that slogan as it clearly no longer holds true.
 
I rather like your card, Cara - the colours are attractive and a decorated Christmas Tree often looks very 'busy' (and yours is far less 'busy' or cluttered than the card my customer was enthusiastic about). One little thing that would have improved it for me, and I stress that it's just my opinion, is if it had a more clearly defined outer shape, more triangular, if you know what I mean?  
 
I hope it will do well elsewhere for you  Smiley
 
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Reply #20 - Sep 24th, 2011, 2:41pm
 
Judy,you are a sweetheart!  Yes I might spruce the original design up and agree that the tree is not triangular enough also the ornaments could be spaced out a bit more evenly.  I was going for a card that did not have your typical christmas colors for the people out there that wanted a different look.  I wanted busy on this because I've always admired a full & busy decorated christmas tree and it's the look I was trying to achieve.  Thank you so much for noticing that!  I think in the beginning of GCU it was "Any card imagineable" but it's changed alot.  Honestly I cannot blame them for purging the shops & designs and it's only good business to be doing what they are doing.  You have to offer only the best to  your clients.  I know I have evolved into a much better graphic artist from working with the graphics programs for as many hours as I was in the past, not so much recently.  Now I have to do most of my working laying down and it's a pain in the rear  Sad  but I'm thankful to still be able to do my art.   It is tough not knowing what types of things they are looking for.  Yes we know they don't want cluttered or god forbid busy Smiley  Thanks for your kind words and yes your post helped alot Smiley  I really appreciate everyone's thoughts as we are adjusting to the new changes.  Leonilde I don't mind an explanation and I welcome constructive criticizm, but I feel that the reviewers should make more of an effort to be nice about the declines specifically, after all, it is bad news we are receiving, that is really what I am saying, those are my feelings.
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Reply #21 - Sep 25th, 2011, 1:13am
 
Hi Cara,
 
I looked at your card on the other site and here's what I think bothered GCU....
 
It had nothing to do with the colors you chose or even the way they were applied ("busy").  I think they felt it didn't look enough like a Christmas tree.  In other words, like Judy said, the shape wasn't triangular enough.  
 
That was my first impression, as I tried to look at your design as a reviewer would.  I love your concept, the colors, the elements, the white background - everything.  I don't think the ornaments need re-spacing.  But I bet if you shaved a bit off to make it more Xmas tree-shaped, they would accept it.  I don't mean a straight line shape, either..... uneven would be great.
 
I feel badly that you feel so discouraged.  I hope this helps.
 
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Reply #22 - Sep 25th, 2011, 6:13am
 
Thank you Evelyn!  I thought your comments were very sweet.  You are also inspiring me to work more on the original design if I still have it on my hard drive.  The concept comes out of my memory as a little girl driving around looking at all the beautfiul christmas trees at christmas time.  I was always fascinated with the colors and noticed some weren't your typical christmas colors at all ie: maybee a pure white tree with all pink bulbs would catch my eye.  So thats where the idea came from Smiley  Thank you so much!  It was nice that you took the time to say such nice things!
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Reply #23 - Sep 25th, 2011, 6:31am
 
Cara - I went to boarding school and the Christmas Tree in the school chapel was always dressed in pink, liclac and blue baubles, white lights and lots of silver lametta.  
 
For years, when I had a home of my own, that was how my Christmas tree looked because there was something magical about that colour scheme!  
 
Eventually those decorations/ornaments got tatty or broken and I replaced them with the more traditional gold, red and green ones, which look very festive, but lack that 'magic' quality of the silvery pink and blue!
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Reply #24 - Sep 25th, 2011, 6:48am
 
I think it's really about finding that magic, Judy!  The tree sounds soooo beautiful.  I love a beautiful christmas tree!  Nothing like it.  Too bad you don't have a picture of that tree, I would love to see it and it would make a great card Smiley
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Reply #25 - Sep 27th, 2011, 7:45am
 
I have over 120 cards being held for improvement, which I did send in the improved image and yet it sits since someone said they had to speak to someone...off the market since Sept. 8th.  
 
Another set of cards required a text improvement,which I did, then a letter of permission, which I provided, then I was told I had done nothing to the photo, which I had, and then the cards were rejected.
 
Another set of cards are being held for image being dark, and that one just sold yesterday from an earlier set that was approved dozens of times.
 
I have readily accepted the rejection of a few other designs that had been recently approved, which I sent one ahead before I went and made
a dozen or more cards from, and they are still rejected.  I have over 5,000 cards and I am not squabbling over my hurt feelings.  I just wonder what the heck is going on when each reader or new reader seems to be going by their own standards.  
 
Otherwise, I am very happy working here at GCU and realize a lot of people work hard for us to be able to share our work here.  TY!
 
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Reply #26 - Sep 27th, 2011, 7:57am
 
Wow!  Sounds like you are going through it too!  Yeah, it seems like real knit picking sometimes, and then when some of the returns happen they make alot of sense and the reviewer is very sweet, also sometimes not.  Sad  Kinda hit or miss I guess.  I submit cards that appear almost perfect to me, but in the back of my mind I know they will be returned for edits, for something, and they almost always are.  I think I am getting used to this as being "THE NORM" for quite some time to come.  What about all of these return for edits...what if you don't have the time or don't feel well and cannot get these edited, what happens then?  Can we keep up with all of this stuff and still do all of our normal daily stuff too.  I guess we shall see.  Good luck everyone, try to have patience, I know I'm trying lol!  What really helps is all of the support from the fellow artist at GCU, they are awesome!
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Reply #27 - Sep 28th, 2011, 12:53pm
 
We'll do our best to add some softness, smiles and hugs to the "no thank you" emails.
 
As for guidelines for non-photographic works this is something that we’ll have to work on.  No style or media is off limits.  In general the guideline is based on overall professional execution, pleasing composition, subject matter relevant to the occasion, well chosen font style, size, color, etc.  We realize imperfections are inherent in hand drawn works however they should still look professional, even children’s art.   Additionally very common reasons for “no thank yous” of non-photographic works are images lacking professionalism due to poor scans that are blurry or grainy and poor photos of the original artwork which also can be blurry, have poor lighting and reflection/glare and alignment & cropping issues.  Getting a good photo of original artwork is often quite problematic.
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Reply #28 - Sep 29th, 2011, 2:14am
 
Quote from Mindy on Sep 28th, 2011, 12:53pm:
We'll do our best to add some softness, smiles and hugs to the "no thank you" emails.

As for guidelines for non-photographic works this is something that we’ll have to work on.  No style or media is off limits.  In general the guideline is based on overall professional execution, pleasing composition, subject matter relevant to the occasion, well chosen font style, size, color, etc.  We realize imperfections are inherent in hand drawn works however they should still look professional, even children’s art.   Additionally very common reasons for “no thank yous” of non-photographic works are images lacking professionalism due to poor scans that are blurry or grainy and poor photos of the original artwork which also can be blurry, have poor lighting and reflection/glare and alignment & cropping issues.  Getting a good photo of original artwork is often quite problematic.

 
Thank you, Mindy - I realise that it's probably difficult to put into words what makes a design 'professional', apart from issues around the scanning/photographing and we'll probably find out more as we go along.
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Reply #29 - Sep 29th, 2011, 6:44am
 
Yep, thanks Mindy!  It does have to be difficult I'm sure.  Some of the reviewers are being more nice I have noticed.  I even got about 4 cards approved yesterday/last night without any returns that was amazing LOL Smiley  Have a nice day everyone!
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