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Jan 30th, 2011, 12:45pm
 
How does one effectively make a copy of a watercolor painting? I have a scanner that washes out any color and even after adjusting the setting on the scanner and adjusting the color in PhotoShop it really dose the painting no justice. I tried to take a photo of the painting, but in my amateur  photography skills... well I try to do my best. Anyone have any suggestions??/
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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2011, 12:59pm
 
Hi Karen, In Photoshop, try boosting up the dpi - say from 300 to 400 or even 600. That way any blue colors in the painting won't get washed out. other color should be more viberant. You can always change the contrast, hues etc. in adjustments. hope this helps.
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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2011, 1:00pm
 
I scan at a high resolution (300) if it fits my scan bed.  If it is larger I pay a photographer to scan my artwork at that resolution.  Once done, I can use it in all of my PODs.  My digital camera takes it at 72 which is usually good enough for "card size" here at GCU. Not sure if this is helpful or not.
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2011, 1:02pm
 
You can also do what many painters still do and that is to find a professional in your area that will either do a calibrated high-res scan for you or will take a professionally lit digital image that you can then use.
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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2011, 1:16pm
 
Doreen-- that is the best way.  I have a local photographer scan my larger artwork and put on a CD for me that I can then put into my computer.
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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2011, 2:23pm
 
Thanks y'all for your answers. My paintings aren't that big,yet, so they fit on my scanner. I will try scanning at a higher resolution first. Investing in a professional photographer right now is not in my budget, but perhaps a college student at the local community college is looking for some extra cash. But then again what renders on my monitor is totally different than what prints. I really don't like my printer. I have ordered my cards from GCU and have been very happy with the printing of the colors.
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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2011, 2:43pm
 
Quote from Karen_137659 on Jan 30th, 2011, 12:45pm:
How does one effectively make a copy of a watercolor painting? I have a scanner that washes out any color and even after adjusting the setting on the scanner and adjusting the color in PhotoShop it really dose the painting no justice. I tried to take a photo of the painting, but in my amateur  photography skills... well I try to do my best. Anyone have any suggestions??/

 
Hi Karen, Try uploading your photo to Picnik. It adjusts exposure, colors and saturation. It works great for my stuff.  Smiley   Wherever there is an "advanced" setting button hit it. It gives more and softer control. It has an automatic button, but with a little practice you'll be a pro.  
http://www.picnik.com/
 
Other stuff you can do is select that color blue in your art program and fill with the right one with 20% to 50% of the opacity.
 
Good luck with it!  
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2011, 2:49pm
 
I use picnik too, you can adjust the exposure.
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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2011, 3:12pm
 
Quote from Karen_137659 on Jan 30th, 2011, 2:23pm:
Thanks y'all for your answers. My paintings aren't that big,yet, so they fit on my scanner. I will try scanning at a higher resolution first. Investing in a professional photographer right now is not in my budget, but perhaps a college student at the local community college is looking for some extra cash. But then again what renders on my monitor is totally different than what prints. I really don't like my printer. I have ordered my cards from GCU and have been very happy with the printing of the colors.

 
Karen,
 
Two things...first of all what you mention here is most likely a calibration issue.  If, when you print something it is significantly different that it was on your monitor...that's calibration.  AND if that area of your digital station is that out of whack, that is also a big portion of your trouble with getting good results from a scan.  ALL equipment must be properly calibrated or you end up with bad results.  
 
Secondly, scanner's have software and if your scanner is meant to scan things like photographs there are specific settings to choose in the scanning software that can make a better scan.  If your scanner is really just a document scanner, that too will lower your quality.
 
You may be able to get good results, but you need to find a good calibration program (check out the internet) and start there.
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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2011, 3:47pm
 
Quote from Karen_137659 on Jan 30th, 2011, 2:23pm:
Thanks y'all for your answers. My paintings aren't that big,yet, so they fit on my scanner. I will try scanning at a higher resolution first. Investing in a professional photographer right now is not in my budget, but perhaps a college student at the local community college is looking for some extra cash. But then again what renders on my monitor is totally different than what prints. I really don't like my printer. I have ordered my cards from GCU and have been very happy with the printing of the colors.

 
It can be tricky Karen.
Cheap scanners often produce blurry images no matter what dpi (Though I would recommend scanning at a high resolution - it will help.) Newer scanners do a pretty good job. You don't need a $10,000 scanner anymore (we did actually have one at the printer I worked for).
Cameras can produce distortions because of the lens (curvature on the edges - usually inward). But you can learn how to shoot artwork yourself - there are tips if you google "photographing artwork" - it's not hard, just takes a bit of planning. That said - most cameras can change the dpi they shoot at - check your camera manual - higher's better.
 
As for the colors - OY! that's a whole 'nother thing. Some scanners scan more blue, some monitors lean to more green, some printers print heavy on magenta or yellow. Before you know it you're not sure what you're actually looking at or how to fix it.  
 
I can tell you that learning how to color correct & trust the numbers (the RGB or CMYK numbers) - not the screen or the printer - is the only way to go. If you are using Photoshop I highly recommend the books under the Visual Quickstart Guides or look at ones in your local library. Often you can find a Beginner's Photoshop adult ed class in your local school district or local community college night course.
 
Some quick tips - because I could sit and do this all day -  
1. When color correcting - always start with a hi-res image.  
2. change your color mode to Lab color. Then go to levels and move the slider for greyscale. Learn how to read a histogram (tells you whether your image is too dark, too light, too contrasty, etc.) move the right hand slider around to get a white. Don't go too crazy. the left slider is for darks & middle is mid-tones - easy, right? Then you can change the mode back to RGB or CMYK - what ever you're most comfortable color correcting in.  
3. I then use the Curves palette to make adjustments.  
4. Familiarize yourself with what makes what colors (the numbers). 100%M & 100%Y is red (sometimes w/10% Cyan), 50%M & 100Y is orange. Know that skin tones usually don't have any (or very limited) cyan. Refer to a physical color chart for CMYK (or RBG) - compare your art and then what you see on the screen & look at the numbers. Trust the numbers.  
5. Lean how to calibrate your screen - it's still not perfect - because it's backlit & we look at things front lit.
 
Now even though I've gone on quite a bit, don't be scared. It's learnable. ANd you'll be happier with your printed images. Good luck!
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2011, 6:13pm
 
Wow - thanks for all the info, y'all are great! I have at one point calibrated my monitor... but maybe it needs to be done again. I am going to check out Picnik. My scanner well, it's an HP it scans photos, documents, etc, one of those 3 in one deals. I had an Epson flatbed several years ago it  scanned 11 x 14 documents, I never had an issue with color. Then one day for no reason, it just stopped working. I don't think you can by flatbed scanners anymore, can ya??  
Thanks again.
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Reply #11 - Jan 30th, 2011, 7:30pm
 
I was just going to mention in regard to photographing artwork, the key is lighting, also angle and the lens you use or if you're using a zoom, adjusting the zoom to match the format of your camera at it's normal mode.  
Lighting should be diffused natural light unless you are really good with the adjustments for artificial light on your camera.  An inexpensive diffuser is a thin white sheet stretched across some type of frame and high enough out of your way so as to not to hinder your camera setup. Simple white posterboard or whatever you can scrounge up for reflector boards from each side and below is helpful as well  to light your work evenly.
You want to make sure you are shooting your work straight on and preferably with the camera mounted on a tripod and using a remote shutter or the timed shutter release.  The work more than likely will be on an easel and should be directly flat with the lens.  
The lens should as well be evenly matched as normal which is a 1:1 aspect ratio to the CMOS sensor of the camera which is aprox. a 42mm lens I think with most digital cameras today other than some of the higher end cameras like the Canon Mark 1V which are closer to the old 35mm format of which a normal lens was considerd 50mm.
When you're framing your subject(the artwork) in your viewfinder or on the viewing screen, crop it as tight as you can so you're using the maximum area of your focusing screen for the highest resolution.  You'll still have to crop the edges as most artwork won't match the dimensions of your canera's format size.  In case I'm not using the right terminology, my Canon 40D has a 2X3 aspect ratio.  Ideally if my artwork is exactly a multiple of that, 4X6, 8X12, 12X18 or 20X30, then I would be able if my camera was set squarely to the artwork  and with the exact focal length, be able to crop thee image in the camera to fit.  that hardly ever happens though so be prepared to crop once your image is downloaded to your photo editing software.  Still the largest area you can photograph, the more resolution you will have to work with.  
There are some other tricks with settings of your camera, ISOs and such which help and my numbers and terminology may be off a bit as I'm no teacher, but the basic rules of even, natural lighting, keeping your angles to a minimum, avoiding shaking or movement and not using a lens which distorts prespective are the keys to photographing artwork and has always worked for me with good results.
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Reply #12 - Jan 30th, 2011, 10:02pm
 
Karen, you could check with Staples. I know they do a lot for business purposes. They might could scan your artwork and put it on a disk for you. I really don't know. You could also try Wal-Mart's photo lab. I know they scanned a picture for me and made it bigger once. They might could scan your artwork and put it on a disk. And yes, they do still sell flatbed scanners. Here is the link to the ones for sale on Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-key words=flatbed+scanner&sprefix=flatbed+scanner#/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=flatbed+scanner&sprefix=flatbed+scanner&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aflatbed+scanner  
 
Hope this helps.  Wink
 
What size is the artwork you are trying to scan?
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Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2011, 5:27am
 
Quote from Karen_137659 on Jan 30th, 2011, 6:13pm:
My scanner well, it's an HP it scans photos, documents, etc, one of those 3 in one deals. I had an Epson flatbed several years ago it  scanned 11 x 14 documents, I never had an issue with color. Then one day for no reason, it just stopped working.
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I had exactly the same situation Karen! Not happy w/my HP all in one. I only scan when I absolutely HAVE to & quality isn't an issue.
I use a Brother All in one at work now that does a really nice job.
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Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2011, 7:54am
 
Hi Karen,
 
I had the same problem trying to scan a watercolor.  I have an HP all-in-one as well, which is generally a darn good scanner, but totally washed out watercolor.  I ended up taking a picture with my digital camera and after several tries - got it to look at least "okay".  Randall's advice is really good but got a little technical for me!  Cheesy  So from a complete photography novice, here's what worked for me...  
 
On a bright but slightly overcast day, I found the brightest room in the house and laid the watercolor flat on a table.  I also turned every lamp/light in the room just to balance out the sun and create more light.  I took the picture as close as I could from straight up above it, without creating a shadow (tricky!).  Randy's right about a tripod, would have made it a lot easier.  I tried it both with and without flash - without looked much better.  I still did have to tinker with the coloring in Photoshop.
 
Hope this helps a bit!  I'm always for a DIY solution before hiring a professional or buying a new scanner.  
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