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Dont trust visual border determination
Jun 26th, 2010, 6:24am
 
After being surprised and getting a card rejected because of borders not allowing 1/4"   we discovered that monitors on computers can be very deceptive as to border size.
 
  We eventually turned on rulers in our software and discovered that while the border looked OK it was not. The border rulers showed us that what looked perfect to eyes was wrong by a lot .
 
Monitors distort the image and the border gap on top and bottom, may look the same as the left and right, but dont trust your eyes, because it can be off . Use software rulers to determine exactly  
 
After discovering this we went back and reviewed and changed many of our  approved card designs to allow more room for the border, because they were not correct and cropped parts of the image we had not intended to .  Eyes can trick you , but printing and cutting will reveal a different truth
 
 
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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2010, 6:45am
 
I tend to use and creat most of my cards on the dl template, I find it much easier and nothing has been croped so far that is not good, even with the dotted line I still leave myself a cm or two incase as I dont want my text jammed up the sides.
 
But I find the template invaluable and much easier, also works for z and rb.
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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2010, 8:38am
 
I'd love to use the template but for some reason it doesn't work on my computer.
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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2010, 9:01am
 
We use software called Micrografx Picture publisher and now use feature called rulers which when turned on for 1/4 " shows  a true guide line at 1/4 in imposed as a layer on top  of image. What  looked perfect to the eye was not . The monitor distorted the view.
 
We are correcting over 50 cards that were approved OK, but are to close to risk and could be wrong when printed and will examine every one of our cards to make sure each is OK.
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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2010, 9:08am
 
It's set I think as a PSD file but the dimensions of the card........
 
Card itself: 12.7cm x 17.78cm   -----  dotted border comes in at 11.32cm x 16.38 so you can make the card at 12.7 etc and then shove a dotted border 11.32 etc.. I still leave a bit of a gap around the edge, your text should not be flush up against that dotted border as well, or it will get lost or not look how you imagined, in photoshop its easy because you can crop to the dotted border then cntrl z when you see what you get.
 
It should work I would think in any program that allowes layers,
althernatively make a template flat make the dotted border red,
so you have a plain white template with a dotted red border, then you can lay your image there, easier with layers of course.
 
But if you are working with anything that has layers this is a simple process to make the template.. perhaps time we had for a few more programs.
 
What program are you using Annette?
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Reply #5 - Jun 26th, 2010, 9:12am
 
Corel is a good program I used it for many years it's almost like photoshop but a bit more frustrating (for me that is)... so a template on that should be a breeze to make. And you also have the crop tool to see what you get before you put it up, love that really. Awful shame though you have to go through so many Sad wish you luck with that, the cards are fab.
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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2010, 10:14am
 
Off topic here...... but Congrats Tanya Grin I see you have now earned ALL your stars!!!! Yeah! Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 26th, 2010, 11:24am
 
Ohh whoot had not noticed  Grin Thanks Pamela Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #8 - Jun 26th, 2010, 11:43pm
 
I use Xara or Illustator to create vector images and I created templates in those.
 
Sorry, if anyone wants one, pm me your email address Smiley
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2011, 9:09pm
 
I have a question about the bleed area.  If I put a colored border around a photo to compensate for the bleed area, the border ends up looking really chunky and appears that way to customers.  I feel it is giving the buyer a false impression and doesn't show how the "trimmed" card will look.
 
I'm new at this.  Am I missing something?
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Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2011, 10:47pm
 
I use illustrator and I rarely use the template. I'm usually lazy of using the template because I didn't really know how to use it "smoothly or routinely".
 
If I use it, I would open the template, copy the image,resize to 2100x1500 or 2100x1500, then set the transparency to know if important elements of my card is in the bleed area.
 
I wonder how others use the template especially those using Illustrator..
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Reply #11 - Feb 1st, 2011, 1:57am
 
Quote from Emily_138045 on Jan 31st, 2011, 9:09pm:
I have a question about the bleed area.  If I put a colored border around a photo to compensate for the bleed area, the border ends up looking really chunky and appears that way to customers.  I feel it is giving the buyer a false impression and doesn't show how the "trimmed" card will look.I'm new at this.  Am I missing something?

Hi Emily,
 
Good question.
 
Since these are paper cards and machines are used for printing, trimming, and folding, it is impossible to predict how much will be trimmed off each edge.  The "cut line" will, however, be somewhere in that 1/4-inch border area on all sides of your image except the side where the fold will be.  
 
On all cards, and photos especially, the choices are to:
 
1.  Have the whole photo fill the image space (1500x2100) in such a way that nothing important falls in that outer 1/4-inch area.  See here:  http://artist.greetingcarduniverse.com/shopping/zoom.asp?pid=491664&w=1
 
2.  Add an attractive border of at least 1/2-inch knowing that some or all of the outer 1/4-inch might be trimmed off.  Since the trimming process is imperfect, the risk with this method is that the final borders will be of different widths and could really look bad.  The only remedy is to make the border much wider than 1/2-inch.  See here:  http://artist.greetingcarduniverse.com/shopping/zoom.asp?pid=432575&w=1& ref=details_large_view
 
3.  Use an attractive background, perhaps with a pattern, and align the photo on it well away from the edges.  See here:  http://artist.greetingcarduniverse.com/shopping/zoom.asp?pid=397156&w=1& ref=details_large_view
 
I hope that helps!
 
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Reply #12 - Feb 1st, 2011, 6:28am
 
Quote from Tanya_135475 on Jun 26th, 2010, 9:12am:
Corel is a good program I used it for many years it's almost like photoshop but a bit more frustrating (for me that is)... so a template on that should be a breeze to make. And you also have the crop tool to see what you get before you put it up, love that really. Awful shame though you have to go through so many Sad wish you luck with that, the cards are fab.

 
 
I agree with you Tanya, I use Corel also.. It seems to be very accurate when working with templates. Only one of mt cards was sold with a close border,, afraid it will be returned.. but so far no complaints.
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Reply #13 - Feb 1st, 2011, 7:27am
 
Thanks for the great information, Tom!  I'm going to rethink how I design my cards.  I was using borders as a crutch against the bleed area, but I see they will cause me more problems than they solve.
I really appreciate the time you took with your answer and the handy links!   Smiley
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Reply #14 - Feb 1st, 2011, 8:07am
 
Quote from Emily_138045 on Feb 1st, 2011, 7:27am:
Thanks for the great information, Tom!  I'm going to rethink how I design my cards.  I was using borders as a crutch against the bleed area, but I see they will cause me more problems than they solve.
I really appreciate the time you took with your answer and the handy links!   Smiley

 
You can do the "Change Image" on your existing cards if you develop new images that use one of the methods I've described.  See the GCU University video in the wiki on how to do this if you don't already know how.
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