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Selina_136051
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reviewing not consistant
Jan 21st, 2011, 1:00pm
 
I just got a card returned for editing and resubmitting. I stupidly forgot to put an apostrophy where it should have one. I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a question about is why i was told to remove certain key words as not being apropriate when just two days ago i had a card approved with the same key word used for the sames reasons.
 
the card in question has a lace border along the bottom with ribbon threaded through it. the reviewer says to change lace in my key words to lace-look, and ribbon to ribbon look. The reviewer has said that using word like that will give the shopper a false idea of what the card looks like.
 
what I want to know is why is one reviewer asking for these changes when others don't. I have other cards with these keyword describing these elements in a card and have had them approved as they are.
 
I am not trying to be a pain in the ass, I just don't undeerstand why the inconsistancy us all. why will one reviewer refuse a card with these keywords when others have not. I have a number of cards with lace and ribbon on them and have used those keywords and never before been told to remove them or alter them.
 
I know I wouldn't personally be using a key word "lace look" to find a card with lace on it, I would use the word lace.
 
Any insights anyone?  
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2011, 1:07pm
 
Who looks for ribbon look or lace look ?
Ribbon and Lace would have been perfect key words.
I know what you mean though as I get the same thing.
It would be good if all the reviewers were on the same page instead of doing everything differently.
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Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2011, 1:09pm
 
Hi Selina,
I'm afraid I can't answer your question about the reviewing process.  It sometimes has me baffled too, though 99% of the time, they are a huge help.
But your post caused me to click on your shop and take a look at your cards.  Very, very nice.  Your 'Merry Christmas Sleigh with Reindeer' is especially lovely.  
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Reply #3 - Jan 21st, 2011, 1:27pm
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2011, 1:30pm
 
Quote from Bits_139043 on Jan 21st, 2011, 1:07pm:
Who looks for ribbon look or lace look ?
Ribbon and Lace would have been perfect key words.
I know what you mean though as I get the same thing.
It would be good if all the reviewers were on the same page instead of doing everything differently.

 
 
My point exactly! as I said, I would not use the words "lace-look" or "ribbon-look" when searching for a card.
I have recently had 2 valentine's day cards approved, both with lace and ribbon on them, both using lace and ribbon as key words and both approved. I just don't understand and I am guessing if I resubmitt the card without making these changes it will be rejected again.  undecided
 
@ Sue, thank you for you kind remarks about my cards, I appreciate that.  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2011, 2:52pm
 
I imagine the review team will respond to this thread and give you a response.  I just wanted to throw in that I remembered sometime before Christmas someone had been using the keyword embossed for cards they had that were gorgeous and truly looked embossed.  A customer confronted GCU and I believe received a refund because the cards of course are not really embossed.
 
This is somewhat new, but as in all business endeavors sometimes rules have to change mid-stream in order to stop future refunds.  I think it likely that the first reviewer who approved your cards simply did not think to apply this new 'rule' which came from the above mentioned situation when it came to the words lace and ribbon...the 2nd reviewer, perhaps on a fresh mind after a good cup of coffee, reviewed your newer cards and thought that the same may occur.  Customers can buy cards with lace and ribbon on them, but not at GCU and btw...
 
"lace look" and "ribbon look" will still get customers searching for lace or ribbon.
 
Just my take on it.
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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2011, 3:03pm
 
looking into this for you, give me a few moments please.
 
Please see this thread which should make this topic crystal-like clear:  Wink
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/forum/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1276722848/
 
Doreen hit the nail on the head, a few times!   Thank you  Smiley.
 
Card reviewers do sometimes miss a detail or two, particularly when they are focused on other more glaring issues like category choice or punctuation or working on their 500th card of the morning.  We do strive to be consistent but also appreciate your understanding when it happens and your willingness to work with us.  
 
Correct, your card with "lace like" will still result in searches for "lace".
 
And as noted in the above referenced thread:
A more detailed description for the shopper in the Artist's Notes would be an ideal solution.  
 
For example:
This cheery yellow design includes a floral design as well as antique style ribbon & lace look.  
 
Lastly these would be good terms to use in your card titles to better describe your cards so:
To my Mom on Mothers Day
to
To my Mom on Mother's Day Yellow Antique Ribbon & Lace Look
 
Colors are important in both keywords and card titles, descriptive terms in both are very important to help shoppers find exactly what they are looking for and to differentiate your card from another (image how many To my Mom on Mother's Day cards we likely have  Shocked).  
 
These changes will best serve your card, the shopper, GCU and you!
 
Hope that is helpful, let us know if you have any other questions.
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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2011, 3:42pm
 
Thanks Mindy.
 
Have made the changes and will resubmitg the card.
 
just on the subject if ribbon now has to say ribbon like
what about words like
buttons, bows, flowers etc?? do wwe have to say botton like?? as they are not real buttons just like it is not real ribbins.
 
I( just want to be clear about it is all so I don't have to keep getting cards returned all the time for having incorrect keywords.
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Reply #8 - Jan 21st, 2011, 4:22pm
 
Quote from Selina_136051 on Jan 21st, 2011, 3:42pm:
Thanks Mindy.

Have made the changes and will resubmitg the card.

just on the subject if ribbon now has to say ribbon like
what about words like
buttons, bows, flowers etc?? do wwe have to say botton like?? as they are not real buttons just like it is not real ribbins.

I( just want to be clear about it is all so I don't have to keep getting cards returned all the time for having incorrect keywords.

 
Yup, you've got it "button like" "button look" "digital button" "faux button" ... whatever wording you can use to share that it is not a real button.  Bows, grommets, charms, even pressed flowers for that matter where the image looks real enough that the shopper might expect the real deal.  There are digital elements that are intended to look like the real thing and that's where it is most important, or when something is scanned or photographed.
 
You are not alone, there are many cards out there with 3d looking embellishments ie: scrapbook looking designs & layouts, that need to be edited.
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Reply #9 - Jan 21st, 2011, 4:38pm
 
Quote from Mindy on Jan 21st, 2011, 4:22pm:
Quote from Selina_136051 on Jan 21st, 2011, 3:42pm:
Thanks Mindy.

Have made the changes and will resubmitg the card.

just on the subject if ribbon now has to say ribbon like
what about words like
buttons, bows, flowers etc?? do wwe have to say botton like?? as they are not real buttons just like it is not real ribbins.

I( just want to be clear about it is all so I don't have to keep getting cards returned all the time for having incorrect keywords.


Yup, you've got it "button like" "button look" "digital button" "faux button" ... whatever wording you can use to share that it is not a real button.  Bows, grommets, charms, even pressed flowers for that matter where the image looks real enough that the shopper might expect the real deal.  There are digital elements that are intended to look like the real thing and that's where it is most important, or when something is scanned or photographed.

You are not alone, there are many cards out there with 3d looking embellishments ie: scrapbook looking designs & layouts, that need to be edited.

 
Thanks Mindy!! Will do my best to remember this for future cards!  Smiley
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Reply #10 - Jan 21st, 2011, 5:08pm
 
Huh oh good Grief.. I've never used the word****-like in any of my Keys.. I will start though,, Don't need it thrown back for just that. Thanks for the up date All. Wink
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Reply #11 - Jan 21st, 2011, 6:01pm
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to THANK the reviewers for doing such a great job!  There are an awful lot of details they have to check for each card.  I know I wouldn't want the task!  
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Reply #12 - Jan 21st, 2011, 7:40pm
 
All the descriptions that we have to be careful of are actual creative techniques that could be incorparated in a card that you purchase at a store.  Since all GCU cards are printed, stating that something has lace or ribbons would be not be accurate unless it was an image of ribbons blowing in the wind, draped around a gift or something like that. As an example, if you had a sexy girl dressed in lace, then lace would be an acceptable keyword.
 
It only makes sense that if you did a card with lace on the border and scanned the finished card to upload to GCU, the GCU product is not lace but a lace like image.
   
It is amazing how many people take everything litterally for face value and are unable to rationally consider the source and come to a logical conclusion based on that, so that is why we have to clarify ourselves so well!
It's a pain, but if we don't, people will put the responibility back on us, demanding a refund or giving out bad publicity.
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Reply #13 - Jan 21st, 2011, 7:59pm
 
WinkWell reading all of this , It is so  true how people do take these words to be literally attached to their card, I have done cards with a Neelepoint-lookand feel,, and Stained Glass look.. I made sure it stated "Stained glass look". They might feel they are getting a stained Glass Card??? or needle point??? lol sorry, and... Winkhow about balloons?? do they think they are getting balloons too?.. This could definately get to be a a very proverbial challenge as, the category "ballons" not Balloon-like".. will all the categories change to *****-like?
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Reply #14 - Jan 21st, 2011, 11:47pm
 
Well I have just made and submitted 3 more cards - for welcoming new babies.
one with "ballon like bubbles with letters in each" one with a pram on the front - i put "toy like pram" and one with a stork carrying a baby. hope the keywords for those are all ok. It does get confusing at times trying to figure out what is allowed and what isn't, especially when not all reviewers enforce things to the same degree.
 
it also makes it hard when there is such a long wait time for approval if you have to resubmit a card and wait even longer
 
I do understand why GCU is so tough about it and I do appreciate that it makes it better for us in the long run. But it is frustrating when you think you have it right and the rules change or one person interprets or enforces things differently to another.
 
Thank you to everyone who responded to my query. Much appreciated!  Smiley
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