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Reply #15 - Feb 14th, 2008, 2:19pm
 
Harry-- I actually went through the same calculations you did to get a template that worked!  But, I agree, that it may be a bit complicated for those without a print background.  I'm glad this topic has been brought up again.  Some months ago Shaun asked me to send the template I was working with and I know that a new and improved template IS something in the works and is part of the whole situation with being able to have customized printing on the back.  Yet is not something GCU can just implement quickly like "new categories" for example.  They have to work with their printing partner, "cardstore," I believe.
 
Shaun--  any new developments on this front?  In the meantime, I can just suggest that if you have an actual "border" leave a MINIMUM of a quarter inch around (more the better) and shifting the image a few pixels to the right and to the top within the 5x7 inch may give you better centering.  With cards that "bleed." just make sure again that the MINIMUM 1/4" can be trimmed and not affect the card image.  (The "right/top" shift can't hurt here either.)
 
Waiting to hear about new template developments!
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 14th, 2008, 2:33pm
 
Thanks for the tip!  I like your cards!
 
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Reply #17 - Feb 14th, 2008, 3:09pm
 
I am going to copy and paste yours and Harry's post to have handy for me for guidance.  I probably better order some of my own cards too, so I can really see for myself.  Thanks so much Ernestine!
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Reply #18 - Feb 14th, 2008, 3:52pm
 
Hi Ernestine,
 
So I am not alone in my crazyness.  I'm going to actually try an experiment with my latest card.  I am going to try posting an image that is bigger than the 5x7.  If it works then I can work in real dimensions on the card design.  Well my images have always been bigger than 5x7 pixel wise but before I use to take my template of what I suspect the print size images is and scale it down to 5x7 to work with it.  Heck I ain't got nuthin to loose and if it does work I'll try to do one with and actual sized border around it just to see how close I can get to being the right size and consistent.
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Reply #19 - Feb 14th, 2008, 6:08pm
 
Smiley Norval, I don't know if this will be helpful, but, when I first joined GCU and signed up for the forums, I, too, thought I was getting dupes.  However, after a few, I realized that each new post generates an email from the forum you are subscribed to and you have to scroll to the bottom to see the new post.  Hope this helps.  Oh..and I checked at your shop... very nice!  I especially liked the military valentine cards.  
 
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Reply #20 - Feb 15th, 2008, 9:22am
 
I've been thinking of trying an image that is *smaller* than 5x7, since the images are enlarged when printed. Let us know what happens with your experiment.
 
Quote from Harry_132595 on Feb 14th, 2008, 3:52pm:
Hi Ernestine,

So I am not alone in my crazyness.  I'm going to actually try an experiment with my latest card.  I am going to try posting an image that is bigger than the 5x7.  If it works then I can work in real dimensions on the card design.  Well my images have always been bigger than 5x7 pixel wise but before I use to take my template of what I suspect the print size images is and scale it down to 5x7 to work with it.  Heck I ain't got nuthin to loose and if it does work I'll try to do one with and actual sized border around it just to see how close I can get to being the right size and consistent.

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Reply #21 - Feb 15th, 2008, 11:58am
 
Hello Everyone,
 
Lots of good questions here.  I'll try to address all of them.  
 
We've been doing our own testing over the last couple months, and I can say that a new template for full bleed images is in the works, although I'm not too sure when it will be completed and available.  
 
Harry is on the right track.  Through testing and research we found that the fold edge and trim edges are typically about .1" and that images are slightly enlarged to 5.2x7.2" before they are printed, then cut to make a 5x7" image.  For full bleed images you can try sizing your images to 1560x2160 pixels at 300 dpi, leaving .1" bleed on all 4 corners.  Your card will be cut differently each time it's printed, but the .1" bleed should allow for this variance.  
 
For the moment, we do still recommend keeping text and all important detail .25" inches from the edges of the card, just to be safe.    
 
Images with borders have always been a little tricky.  If your border is visible within the red dotted-line on our card templates then it will always appear on the card, however since the card may not always be perfectly centered, theres a chance that thinner borders may look uneven on print.  We recommend that you use thicker borders so that the inconstancy is hardly noticeable to the eye if the image is not perfectly centered.  A .5" border should work well.  
 
With regard to the thumbnails that are displayed on the site, we currently don't have the ability to trim your images so that they always resemble the finished product.  That said, if you upload full bleed images at 5.2x7.2 and keep all important detail .25 inches away from the corners, the difference between the thumbnail and the printed image should only be the trimming of the .1" bleed, which the customer will probably not notice.  If the customer is not satisfied with the card, we will work with them to come up with a resolution.
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Reply #22 - Feb 15th, 2008, 12:04pm
 
Quote from Harry_132595 on Feb 14th, 2008, 3:52pm:
Hi Ernestine,

So I am not alone in my crazyness. I'm going to actually try an experiment with my latest card. I am going to try posting an image that is bigger than the 5x7. If it works then I can work in real dimensions on the card design. Well my images have always been bigger than 5x7 pixel wise but before I use to take my template of what I suspect the print size images is and scale it down to 5x7 to work with it. Heck I ain't got nuthin to loose and if it does work I'll try to do one with and actual sized border around it just to see how close I can get to being the right size and consistent.

 
Hi Harry,
Please let us know what you find.  We can credit your account with a few free card credits for these tests.
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Reply #23 - Feb 15th, 2008, 12:13pm
 
Quote from Cara_131386 on Feb 14th, 2008, 11:31am:
I would like the printed card to look identical to the thumbnail, because that is what the customer will be EXPECTING. We should be giving the customer EXACTLY what they want, or informing them that there may be a white border surrounding the card, in all fairness and in my humble opinion!

My question still stands, how do you use GCU's template. Templates confuse the **** out of me LOL...what do I do with the template once I get it into Photoshop? Do I copy my image onto the top of the GCU template..and then check the size? geez I'm lost Sad

 
Hi Cara,
The template was designed to be the starting point when you create your images, so that the images you upload meet recommended dimensions and resolution.  You can hide the Template Guide layer and use the red border to ensure text and other important detail will be included in the printed image.  Just be sure to hide the red border before exporting your image to jpg  Wink
 
You can also paste your 1500x2100 or 2100x1500 pixel (at 300 dpi or ppi) images on to the template to verify that all text and other important detail will be included in the printed image.
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Reply #24 - Feb 15th, 2008, 12:21pm
 
Thank you Shaun, I shall play with it and check it out Smiley  As I posted in a different thread, my friend recieved her cards and she is ecstatic about the quality all the way around, so I am very happy! Smiley
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Reply #25 - Feb 16th, 2008, 12:54pm
 
Hi Shaun,
 
I haven't tried printing them yet because I am waiting for one to be approved.
 
Based on measuring the 8 or so cards I still have in my hands, I came up with a template that is 5.325" x 7.455" that I output at 300 dpi from Corel draw.  To find your recommend 1/4" border (which of course is more when blown up) I drew a 5x7, marked the 1/4", then enlarged it to a width of 5.325 (that gave me the 7.455 height maintaining the width/height ratio).  I left the 5x7 centered as the referenced trim line.
 
You shouldn't make your new template 5.2 x 7.2 it's not the right proportion.  5x7 is 1/1.4 (width/height).  5.2x7.2 is 1/1.38 ... that .02 in "proportion" is huge.  I assume when you enlarge you hold the aspect ratio and don't distort the image.  
 
And as far as centering ... even on multiples of the same card, mine have been closer than I can measure.  Very consistent ... horizontal or vertical.
 
I'm confused by you mentioning a 1 inch bleed.
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Reply #26 - Feb 16th, 2008, 1:33pm
 
Hello again Shaun,
 
I uploaded a very simple test card for my template.  It is Product ID 152445.  Colored rectangles with the sizes noted.
 
Maybe you folks can print a few out and see what you think and slip a few in the mail to me so I can see how they worked.
 
Thank-you
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Reply #27 - Feb 18th, 2008, 10:45am
 
Quote from Harry_132595 on Feb 14th, 2008, 11:53am:
Oh and I'm not a photoshopper but the basic idea of a template is to make sure your image fits within the "proportions" of the template.  If it doesn't it will be cropped or resized to fit.  I don't use templates much myself ... I focus on print area for the product.

 
Hi, I'm new, my first post.  Question related to the topic of borders:  Your cards have different colored borders and backgrounds.  I do not see where GCU gives us a choice of borders or backgrounds so I am assuming that you create your cards with your own choice of border color, etc.  Correct? -- Dee
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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2008, 12:40pm
 
Hello again Shaun,
 
I got curious so I went ahead and ordered 2 copies of my template test card (Product Id:152445) that I mentioned and am having them mailed to me.  If you would like to credit me for those cards that would be very nice.
 
Hello Deanne,
 
Since you quoted me I'll go ahead and answer you.  Here on GCU you design the entire face of the card ... i.e. fill the whole 5x7 print area.  BUT ... borders get a little tricky and that is what this whole thread is about.  
 
I'll be sure to let everyone know how my template test cards come out.
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Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2008, 8:37pm
 
Hi folks,
It's now 5 days later and I am back in the land of the living....I went completely through my store and checked on any and all borders that I thought might have a problem and re-worked them all.  Man!--what a job...At times I felt like I would never see the light of day again.  But here I am and with all my cards corrected.  I found that as I reworked my borders, I had new ideas, often Better ideas, as to the colors of borders or the useage of a certain card front, or new verse ideas.  This proved to be a VERY worthwhile endeavor, as I am much more pleased with my cards than I was prior to this 're-evaluating'.  Now I know that I will periodically go back through each card in my store and re-think it!
Now, a couple of things I found after re-working over 200 cards, is that we could definately benefit from an easier way to move through our photos.  
Administrators--Do you think we could just point-and-click to the page we want?
IE:  1-50  (pg 1)   51-100 (pg 2)  101-150 (pg 3)
Now if I could point to pg 3 and click, it would be ever so much faster than working my way through page one, page two and finally page three--to say nothing of page twenty!
I also found the process cumbersome when changing the photo on a card, to get back to the same page I was on, but keep the new imported images available.  Pages do not seem to automatically refresh when you return to them--so the newly added photo does not show up.
Oh gosh, I'm tired and probably not making myself real clear.   Tongue
But any help in this areas would be most appreciated.
 
One other thing:  I have asked several times, but never received an answer....
Will the template be updated with current stats and will be having the Support the Troops campaign again this spring?  I would dearly love an updated template to use for a local press release.  PLEASE, let me know..I know there are others here also interested in this.
Thanks!
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