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Feb 14th, 2008, 8:10am
 
Hi gang,
I wrote a couple of days ago about my 20 Valentines I had ordered and how VERY pleased I was with the quality.
But there's one thing I forgot to mention.  It might be valuable info for newcomers..
I downloaded and use the GCU template.  I found that it fits exactly my 5x7 sizing in my photoshop software.  However, when I received my cards I found that the 1/4 they (GCU) talk about--put no valuable information in this space--they really mean it!  I have found that I really must pretend that the last 1/4 inch does not exist.  Some of my borders were simply too close to the edge for my taste.  So now I am going back through every single image and resizing.  I want my cards to be the very best they can be as I'm sure you all do.  While these cards are certainly acceptable as they stand, I know they are not exactly as I imagined them, so now I have to alter each accordingly.    
Probably the best scenario is where your card has no border--the image runs right out over the edge and has no valuable info on the last 1/2 inch of image.  That certainly is a no fail situation.  Fortunately some of my cards did fall into this catagory.
Soo, I will not be adding any NEW cards to my shop in the near future.  I will be resizing and exchanging images (on my 200+ cards in my store so far.  Then I will order more cards and see how I like the changes...)I am so glad I ordered some cards and found this out before I had two thousand cards in my store!
SO newbies, watch those borders!  And order some of your cards and see how they look, before you continue blindly supplying your store.
Good luck!
SueB
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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2008, 8:32am
 
I hear ya and I downloaded the template finally LOL, and I don't have a clue, as to how to use the darn thing!  LOL  It opens up in my photoshop elements but then what do I do, I am lost LOL!  Any help would be appreciated! Cool
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Reply #2 - Feb 14th, 2008, 9:55am
 
Hi,Sue
This is something GCU really needs to address.  I'm completely new to print on
demand,  but they really need to go to the print industry standard........
5x7 image area with 1/4 inch bleed, so the thumbnail we [and the customer] see
on site which includes the bleed, then when it's received looks like a bad trim.
Lets hear back from you people from print.
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Reply #3 - Feb 14th, 2008, 10:02am
 
I've looked at my GCU cards and the template very closely to figure out what happens.  To my way of thinking the template doesn't really reflect what GCU does with the image and I think they did the template that way to keep things as simple as possible.  For printing purposes the 5x7 image is actually enlarged and appears to be printed on a slightly larger card stock.  It looks to me like they then trim the card to exactly 5x7 to deal with the "full bleed" issue of printing right to the edge of the stock.  This is the best way to do it and they get a great product with the process.  If you open your card flat and look at how much of the image is printed past the fold you'll see just how much the image has been enlarged and then trimmed.  That dimension past the fold is very consistent from card to card.  It runs about 1/8th of an inch within 1/32nd of an inch on all my cards.  If you are a lunatic like me you can figure out just how large the printed image is (before trimming) by measuring from the center of the card to the edge of the print past the fold. Then if you get even crazier you can figure out where the trim line is.  You'll find the 1/4" is a little fat but very safe.  I went thru this exercise because I try to use the images elsewhere where they print much closer to the 5x7 size and trim much less and I don't want the borders getting too big.  But I think GCU's process gives a much better looking card.  Now if we can only convince them to let us put images on all for faces of the card like Zazzle ... GCU will have an amazing product!  I like doing all faces of the cards on Zazzle but I am much happier with the GCU finished card itself.  It's slightly heavier stock a little glossier ... AND ... it folds neatly, cleanly, and evenly.  Zazzle cards the front overlaps the back quite a bit and sometimes the finish edges aren't even parallel ... and it varies from card to card.  A little disappointing.  
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Reply #4 - Feb 14th, 2008, 10:13am
 
Harry, your a genius with math!  Math has never been my strong point...hehehe  In fact I am going to read your post over a few times to get it, let's hope I get it Smiley Cool
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Reply #5 - Feb 14th, 2008, 10:55am
 
Thanks Harry, I'm printing off your reply for referance.  Why I'm concerned is
my look is very bordered, and I want the customer to receive what they see
on the Thumbnail.  On site, if you follow the template you see this wide border,
looks great, when you receive the card, because of what you said in your reply,  
now you have a much narrower  border.  If one designs for a wide border the
the Thumbnail looks completely out of proportion???
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Reply #6 - Feb 14th, 2008, 11:25am
 
Grin
 
Thank-you Cara ...
 
But I'm not so sure it's genius as much as an annoying nack for becoming a little absurdly obsessed with tiny things no one really notices or cares about!
 
I'd offer my template up to folks but thats just insulting to the folks at GCU here who I think do a great job.  Their template really does work fine and keeps things simple.  But I do think it helps to understand what is happening with the image in the process.  For instance if you do a card and really want a 1/4" border, you do need to make it a little bigger than 1/4" on your 5x7 image. And to get them to appear the same on all sides of the card is going to be a bit of challenge.  One site actually cautions against using borders at all.  My approach???  Make them uneven by design!   Grin
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Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2008, 11:31am
 
I would like the printed card to look identical to the thumbnail, because that is what the customer will be EXPECTING.  We should be giving the customer EXACTLY what they want, or informing them that there may be a white border surrounding the card, in all fairness and in my humble opinion!
 
My question still stands, how do you use GCU's template.  Templates confuse the **** out of me LOL...what do I do with the template once I get it into Photoshop? Do I copy my image onto  the top of the GCU template..and then check the size?  geez I'm lost Sad
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Reply #8 - Feb 14th, 2008, 11:37am
 
Well Norval I looked at your designs, I like them very much by the way, and I think you might have a bit of a challenge ahead of you to get your borders the way you want them.  And I don't think there is going to be much you can do about the difference between the thumb and the finished card.  I don't think the Thumbs take the trim into account.  For your designs I really would recommend you go through the exercise I did with creating the 5x7, enlargeing it and "trimming" it back to 5x7.  Things get a little touchy.  Remember when the image is enlarged it holds "proportion" ... then you are trimming it to "dimension".  There is a subtle difference that your card designs are really going to bring out.  If you go through the exercise you will see what I mean.  Good Luck to you.  If I can help I'll be glad to try.  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Feb 14th, 2008, 11:49am
 
Hiya Cara ... well I tried to make that argument about making sure the customers see what they are getting with a management team of another site.  And I think the issue was far worse than the difference between the thumb and the trimmed finished card here.  Sometimes it really is just a little difficult to get these sites doing everything as perfectly as we'd like them form a programming stand point.  Some places do it better than others.  I'm not going to argue that issue on here I learned my lesson.  I became very unpopular over there.  These sites simply have their limits and the thing we have to do as intelligent designers is know how to recognize them and work within or around them to make OUR products the best they can be.  Somtimes these limts can actually become opportunities.  Sometimes they become nice accidents that make our designs even more interesting.  One of my fav designs of mine actually made the limits of the print area on a T-shirt a feature of the design and ended up in me creating a number of my favorite designs.  .... No one is buying them but I still love them LOL
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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2008, 11:53am
 
Oh and I'm not a photoshopper but the basic idea of a template is to make sure your image fits within the "proportions" of the template.  If it doesn't it will be cropped or resized to fit.  I don't use templates much myself ... I focus on print area for the product.
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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2008, 12:10pm
 
Well, I was using 2 different sizes for my cards here and one was 2450 x 1750 and the other was 2100 x 1500 (which is the size GCU recommended) I am wondering now if the cards that I made at 2450 x 1750 are probly too large.  But I haven't recieved any emails from GCU asking me to take them back down to 2100 x 1500 but I have taken them down to 2100 x 1500, recently.  
 
I am confused, but then again that is nothing new for me Smiley  
 
I also realize what you said Harry, about working within the guidelines and a agree 100% with you on that.  I know that what GCU can do they will do, and what might be a logistical nightmare might just have to wait.  I trust that they usually always grant a request if they can do it without any major problems.  I am very happy here!
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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2008, 12:30pm
 
Well I can't say that I am unhappy here ... be nice to sell some cards.  I buy a lot of them though  Grin  I really like the quality.  I love being able to send them directly to people.  That is such a great feature.
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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2008, 1:02pm
 
Thanks Harry for your complement and your expertise.  But.....HELP........
HAVE I PRESSED A WRONG BUTTON AGAIN.........I'm getting many duplicate
e-mails from the forum!
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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2008, 1:08pm
 
Must be lots of people gabbing today?   Roll Eyes
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