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Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2012, 5:59pm
 
Hi Randall,  
My only thought was that the photo cropping is quite close to the dog's face and he is looking out of frame.  it does not let the "reader" connect with the dog.  It gives the dog a disinterested look, as opposed to an I'm sorry look.
 
That's just my thoughts.
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2012, 6:49pm
 
Hi Randall - I'm probably going to regret chiming in, considering your opinion of me, but as a pro-photographer I'll try and help.
 
The angle is odd, yes, but doesn't bother me considering the face seems to be in such sharp focus - great job on that.
 
What I see is a lighting issue.  The top of the dog's head is nearly washed out and the face is in shadow.  If it were my photograph, I would use a masked layer and reduce the harsh light on the top of the head and another layer mask to lighted up the dogs face - bringing those two into a better balance.
 
The off-set photo on the background also doesn't balance well, so I would work on some alternative ways to present the photo.
 
I have to agree with the text bubble comments - KISS - is always best when it comes to talk bubbles.
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Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2012, 8:00pm
 
Thank you guys!  
 
No Doreen, actually I have a high opinion of you, I think people misinterpret what I say a lot as I'm usually quite blunt.  You know photography and especially after the shot editing.
 
Personally I like the offset box, but if several of you think it makes the overall composition of the card look unbalanced, then you probably are right.  I do know what you are saying about the lighting and of course this was shot outside at a car show with bright light overhead.  Didn't think the reviewers would be that critical.  After all it is going to be a 4X6 image when printed but if it's that noticeable I'll work on it a bit more.
 
I'll go to work with a mask as you suggest Doreen and see if I can find a smooth edged bubble or draw one in.  This should be a great little learning project.  See what I can do to improve this design from so-so to superb. Roll Eyes   Grin
 
Dang reviewers are so picky now! Grin Grin Grin
 
I only hope they don't decline these and give me a chance to improve the image if that's all it is as I submitted six different versions of this design.  Cross my fingers!
 
Best always, Randy
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Reply #18 - Mar 9th, 2012, 2:59am
 
Alright, changed the image slightly taking Doreen's advice and darkening the highlighted hairs and head of Baxter slightly.  Actually, did a shade mask about half way down the image then lightened the complete image to try and even out the light.  It's an improvement and I'm hoping sufficient.  Also centered the box or border top and bottom, side to side and pulled the dialog balloon inside the frame although I couldn't find a smooth edged balloon in any of my fonts or clip art so kept the jagged edge one rather than trying to draw one in.  Simplified the text to comic sans MS and with the even border framing hope that balances out the impact of the jagged edges so we don't have so much going on in the design.
 
 
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/apology-im-sorry-cards/animals-pets/dogs/eng lish-bull-dog-eeewww-boy-911171?aid=140313
 
For those that saw the before, any better?
 
I changed the image on the six I submitted for the store and with the cards in hold status, hope the reviewers see the improvements and accept the cards.  Crossed fingers and we'll see!  Not sure if once an image is in that status if editing will have any impact on the final decision or not.  Anyone know?
 
Thank you all for your help!
 
Best always, Randy
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Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2012, 8:53am
 
Hey Randall,
 
The border and bubble issues are certainly a big improvement.  I don't see much difference in the lighting issues.  Just to be able to let you see what I'm talking about, I did a screen print of your card and balanced the tonal range to help you visualize what I see.  When I did that, the whites on the head and bridge are completely washed . . . in other words, there is no detail to recover, so you have to figure out how to fix that or try another photograph.
 
What I did is simply paint on both some deeper values and then since there is no recovery, there is no texture, so I painted on some light texture to the top of the head.  Then as I mentioned above, used another layer to paint some light on the darker portions of the face to help balance the lighting.
 
I darkened the ground and more of the dog, again painting with a masked layer and then cloned over the sun spot on the ground by the front paws. What I think you will now see is how much that dog face pops out at the viewer.  There are no more washed out areas and the eye no longer wanders away from the subject.
 
Keep in mind I did this in a matter of minutes, so it was not done with a lot of care, but I wanted you to see what is possible and see it the way I see it.  Now, of course I can not give you any guarantee that the image I modified would be accepted, I can only say from a professional photographer's standpoint the technical errors from capture have been corrected.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34356472@N04/6967181283/in/photostream/lightbox/
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Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2012, 3:17pm
 
Doreen, if I may ask, what program did you do this with?  At one point, you sent me some instructions with painting with light and I did try but my old PS Elements I think is missing what I need to do this or I might have misunderstood the directions.  I'm about to consider a purchase for a newer program and would like some suggestions that I can get without busting the bank account.
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Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2012, 3:37pm
 
Quote from Donna_137698 on Mar 9th, 2012, 3:17pm:
Doreen, if I may ask, what program did you do this with?  At one point, you sent me some instructions with painting with light and I did try but my old PS Elements I think is missing what I need to do this or I might have misunderstood the directions.  I'm about to consider a purchase for a newer program and would like some suggestions that I can get without busting the bank account.

 
Hi Donna - I'm a Photoshop CS-5 user and that does break the bank unless you can buy upgrades like I did.  However, a new version of elements would probably allow you to do this since all I've done is apply a mask to a Levels or Curves layer and painted with a brush light or shadow only in the parts I wanted the adjustment.  The same technique was used to blend in a texture over the washed out parts.
 
I've heard great things about the later versions of Elements.  It's affordable, usually under $100 and I'm sure it would be a great stepping stone for you.  Of course GIMP is free and I'm told does pretty much every thing Photoshop does, but I've never had the need to use it so I can't give any advice in that arena.
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Reply #22 - Mar 9th, 2012, 3:40pm
 
Yeah, that was it - the mask tool - my Elements doesn't have that.  I'd love CS-5 but yup - out of the question right now.  I do have Gimp but I'm finding it a bit difficult to work with.  Thanks for replying - I'll look at the new Elements and go from there.  
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Reply #23 - Mar 9th, 2012, 3:54pm
 
Quote from Donna_137698 on Mar 9th, 2012, 3:40pm:
Yeah, that was it - the mask tool - my Elements doesn't have that.  I'd love CS-5 but yup - out of the question right now.  I do have Gimp but I'm finding it a bit difficult to work with.  Thanks for replying - I'll look at the new Elements and go from there.  

 
Donna, I may be mistaken, but somewhere, I believe I read that you are a teacher.  If that's correct, you should be able to use an educational discount to buy photo editing software.  Most software companies will offer special 'student' packages, that might not have every bell and whistle, but certainly enough that it should help you out.
 
 
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Reply #24 - Mar 9th, 2012, 3:57pm
 
Hi Penny
 
Thanks so much for the suggestion - I'll look into it.  I may not be able to use such discounts because I'm only employed at the moment as a para and not a full teacher - still looking for a permanent teaching position.
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Reply #25 - Mar 9th, 2012, 5:51pm
 
Quote from Donna_137698 on Mar 9th, 2012, 3:57pm:

Thanks so much for the suggestion - I'll look into it.  I may not be able to use such discounts because I'm only employed at the moment as a para and not a full teacher - still looking for a permanent teaching position.

 
Donna,
When I homeschooled my kids, we purchased educationally priced items from Academic Superstore (I've always had great experiences with them).
 
Here's a link to the Adobe Creative Suite 5.5 Design Premium at their site: http://www.academicsuperstore.com/products/Adobe/Creative+Suite+Design+Premium/1 525607
 
And their requirements for Teachers, Faculty, Staff:
 
One of the following:
*Link to your faculty web page
*Faculty ID
*Letter of Employment on school letterhead
*Pay Stub (cross out confidential information)
 
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Reply #26 - Mar 9th, 2012, 6:17pm
 
One quick note here Donna just so you don't 'waste' money or get into a situation where you need to spend more money just to use new software.
 
Be very much aware of the Operating System you have, you computer's Memory requirements and whether you are using a Windows environment, be sure you know if your computer is running 32-bit or 64-bit Windows environment.  Much of the latest 'full' versions of Photoshop WILL NOT install on a 32-bit system unless you specifically purchase that version.  
 
Just do a lot of homework so when you invest, you invest in something you can immediately use without having to put out more money to upgrade your computer.  Full versions of Photoshop take a fair amount of memory.
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Reply #27 - Mar 9th, 2012, 6:26pm
 
thanks again folks for all the info...
 
Doreen, I have a Windows 7 64 bit custom built PC with quad core processor (hoping to save up to go to something even higher at some point - yeah, I'm turning techno geek!!).  I requested a "monster machine" from the gent who built it making sure he completely understood my needs for a machine that will handle graphics programs and the like for my photography and digital "art" endeavors.  
 
I'll certainly check in with him before ordering any software to confirm compatibility.
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Reply #28 - Mar 9th, 2012, 6:31pm
 
Quote from Donna_137698 on Mar 9th, 2012, 6:26pm:
thanks again folks for all the info...

Doreen, I have a Windows 7 64 bit custom built PC with quad core processor (hoping to save up to go to something even higher at some point - yeah, I'm turning techno geek!!).  I requested a "monster machine" from the gent who built it making sure he completely understood my needs for a machine that will handle graphics programs and the like for my photography and digital "art" endeavors.

I'll certainly check in with him before ordering any software to confirm compatibility.

 
Fantastic!  Now a days, adding memory is very affordable and you've got someone there who can do that for you should you decide you need it.
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Reply #29 - Mar 9th, 2012, 6:35pm
 
nice knowing his family too - his mom will tan his 41 year old hide if he doesn't follow through  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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