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Dec 5th, 2011, 4:14am
 
I can no longer access the thread "Are you kidding?"  
Please don't tell me you removed it because members were expressing dissatisfaction.
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Reply #1 - Dec 5th, 2011, 4:42am
 
Quote from Paul_133086 on Dec 5th, 2011, 4:14am:
I can no longer access the thread "Are you kidding?"
Please don't tell me you removed it because members were expressing dissatisfaction.

 
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Makes you wonder doesn't it?
 
 Huh
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Reply #2 - Dec 5th, 2011, 5:00am
 
Especially with 'ex member' being the last one to have logged into that thread.  
 
I don't know what kind of classification that is, but something smells fishy at the wharf.  Let's hope not as that is a really low underhanded way to mange a public forum and I would likie to believe that not one of GCU's owners or staff would ever stoop that low.
 
Of course, these threads can be viewed by basically anyone, so pehaps someone in enough  of a position to monitor and control the forum thought it best for the integrity of the company to quell this uprising before it spreads like a wildfire into other areas of the GCU system.
 
Frustration breeds discontent, discontent breeds dissention and dissention spells disaster for a company!   Grin Grin Grin
 
I'm sure someone will come forth tomorrow and do some damage control, if they value the artists here as much as they claim.  I'd be shocked if they don't!  Shocked Shocked Shocked
 
Best always, Randy
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Reply #3 - Dec 5th, 2011, 5:33am
 
Hi All,
Just catching up on here. Smiley  
I do think your comment on GCU removing it because of dissatisfied artists is an unfair accusation.
I think Randy has the clue to the problem, the ex-member part, this has happened a number of times and is not unusual. I wonder if it happens when a thread gets too big, if that is possible, as that seems to be a common factor?
 
I have certainly seen some very heated discussions between artists on here at times and I feel the GCU admins are very willing to address issues.  
Just my two cents.
Happy Monday.
 
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Reply #4 - Dec 5th, 2011, 6:32am
 
Pamela - there have been such bizarre decisions being made re 'marketability' - and many of them NOT addressed by admin - that it's hardly surprising that people are starting to become suspicious.  
 
When such a breakdown in trust starts to occur, anything seems possible.  
 
I think it's just as well for people to voice their worries openly on the forum, if only to have them refuted by admin.
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Reply #5 - Dec 5th, 2011, 6:33am
 
Greetings!
 
Just chiming in here, to add that Pamela is correct.  I'm not sure why this ex-member thing happens, but I've seen it before, and on discussions that were pretty bland.
 
We have to remember that the GCU forum is a 3rd party system, so, GCU doesn't control it.
 
For some reason, unknown to me, when a member posts to a discussion, then cancels his/her membership, this glitch occurs.  And it happens when that person was the last to post.  Kind of weird, but, that's how it seems to be.
 
I can't imagine that anyone at GCU would ever shut down any legitimate discussion here by the artists.  Seriously.
 
Hope this helps!
 
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Reply #6 - Dec 5th, 2011, 6:42am
 
If it was just a glitch, then they should be able to restore the thread using backups. I don't know of any forum software that doesn't allow for that sort of thing.
 
... unless they didn't set up the backup system, but a place as large as GCU most likely has some sort of backups in place.
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Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2011, 7:16am
 
Hi Jan,
Nice to see you around again Smiley It was lovely to have your take on the marketability issue, as I know from the past you have a good understanding of the business and added a lot of helpful information on these threads, for which I send a personal thank you.  
I believe the thread may be lost  Sad as I saw this happen to the thread with all the instructions for the new custom cards. Artists and admin alike had posted lots of answers and tips on the new process and it was very helpful, then 'poof' the same thing happened. They were not able to retrieve that one. cry
 
Hi there Judy  Smiley Noted, grievances should be aired so they can be addressed. I just do not like it when it becomes a mud slinging party, them against us, it seems counter productive and creates a divisive environment where nothing is accomplished but bad feelings all around. Perhaps I am too sensitive.  
Anyhoo, lot's to do today, have to go shopping now or my family will be airing grievances (I think I just made a Festivus joke unwittingly) Grin
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 5th, 2011, 8:48am
 
One of the things I suggested on the other thread, that I think might have brought a response from Mindy that would have clarified things for us, was a way that this 'marketability cull' could have been carried out more quickly and transparently, at much lower cost to GCU and probably with much more acceptance by the artists.
 
GCU could have simply announced that, after a period of time (eg 2-3 months), all designs (not cards) that had never had a sale in, say, the past couple of years would be automatically deleted.
 
That would have given us time to work on those designs, both from the point of view of upgrading them and also promoting them. And, assuming that the reviewers are being paid for going through all the cards, it would have saved GCU money as well as standing a better chance of taking the artists along with them.
 
GCU would have then ended up, after a two or three months, with a site featuring only those designs that have proved themselves to be 'marketable' - which is what I understood was the purpose of this exercise.
 
As it is, people are understandably baffled as to why cards are being removed that have proved themselves to be marketable - ie people have bought them. And that is what, I think, gives rise to the suspicions that have been voiced on the other thread that there are really other motives for the 'cull' that we don't know about.
 
I would really like to know whether my suggestion, with maybe a few tweaks, would be workable and if not, I would like to know the reasons why not.  
 
And if it is workable, I don't think it is too late to switch.
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Reply #9 - Dec 5th, 2011, 10:14am
 
Pamela and Penny are correct. This has happened before. It is a technical problem and certainly not caused by GCU moderating threads after the fact.
 
Judy, I do not agree with your suggestion. There are plenty of lovely cards that never sold because they have never been seen, not because they are not marketable. Many of these may need better keywords or titles or tweaking of the inner verse, but certainly should not be culled.  
 
Every profession has to deal with rejection, including this one.
 
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Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2011, 10:23am
 
Quote from Rosanne_132497 on Dec 5th, 2011, 10:14am:
Pamela and Penny are correct. This has happened before. It is a technical problem and certainly not caused by GCU moderating threads after the fact.

Judy, I do not agree with your suggestion. There are plenty of lovely cards that never sold because they have never been seen, not because they are not marketable. Many of these may need better keywords or titles or tweaking of the inner verse, but certainly should not be culled.

Every profession has to deal with rejection, including this one.

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Rosanne

 
In my world, the "inner verses" are a nightmare  Huh
 
I'm more of an artist than a writer. It probably takes me longer to put something inside the card than it does to design the front.
 
I really wish they would just have a big pile of licensed verses that buyer's could stick into whatever card they chose, and then I wouldn't have to guess at what to put on the inside. It would sure make my life easier  Grin
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Reply #11 - Dec 5th, 2011, 10:29am
 
Quote from Pamela_135500 on Dec 5th, 2011, 7:16am:
Hi Jan,
Nice to see you around again Smiley It was lovely to have your take on the marketability issue, as I know from the past you have a good understanding of the business and added a lot of helpful information on these threads, for which I send a personal thank you.
I believe the thread may be lost  Sad as I saw this happen to the thread with all the instructions for the new custom cards. Artists and admin alike had posted lots of answers and tips on the new process and it was very helpful, then 'poof' the same thing happened. They were not able to retrieve that one. cry

Hi there Judy  Smiley Noted, grievances should be aired so they can be addressed. I just do not like it when it becomes a mud slinging party, them against us, it seems counter productive and creates a divisive environment where nothing is accomplished but bad feelings all around. Perhaps I am too sensitive.
Anyhoo, lot's to do today, have to go shopping now or my family will be airing grievances (I think I just made a Festivus joke unwittingly) Grin

Pamela Smiley

 
Thanks for the welcome back.
 
Bummer about the lost threads though.
 
I have a better understanding of the stock-image business than the card sales end of it, I'm afraid. Like others, I'm trying to figure out why "this" card sells, but "that one" doesn't.
 
Like others too, I'm not terribly excited about the review process right now, but having worked in stock for a while, I'm used to having images rejected (sometimes for really dumb reasons, even in stock) or returned to be "fixed". That's something you just learn to deal with. In stock though, it's more basic, like too much noise, or not focused in the right place, or poor lighting. Usually something clear enough to understand and be able to avoid in the future.
 
For me, with GCU's process being so new (to me I mean) I haven't had time to develop an understanding of what they want and why, and it's frustrating me because it's slowing me down. Just when I decided to develop my card portfolio, along with a website highlighting GCU cards  .  Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Dec 5th, 2011, 10:33am
 
Quote from Rosanne_132497 on Dec 5th, 2011, 10:14am:
Pamela and Penny are correct. This has happened before. It is a technical problem and certainly not caused by GCU moderating threads after the fact.

Judy, I do not agree with your suggestion. There are plenty of lovely cards that never sold because they have never been seen, not because they are not marketable. Many of these may need better keywords or titles or tweaking of the inner verse, but certainly should not be culled.

Every profession has to deal with rejection, including this one.

Cheers,

Rosanne

 
Thanks for your response, Roseanne - but what I was suggesting was that we could be given time to upgrade our keywords and the things that you suggested and make sure that they would get seen by promoting them. If they still didn't sell, then presumably it would make more sense to remove them than ones that do sell?
 
Surely that would be preferable to working on cards that have sold and then having them declined anyway, which is what seems to be happening.
 
As for 'rejection' - on the thread that disappeared, I think people agreed that this is not about rejection.  It's about the 'frustration' and 'bewilderment' of having cards rejected for very strange reasons even though they had sold or were still selling well.  
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Reply #13 - Dec 5th, 2011, 2:49pm
 
Pamela, if you re-read my post, I think you'll find it to be more speculation than "accusation."
 
 
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Reply #14 - Dec 5th, 2011, 3:23pm
 
Quote from Rosanne_132497 on Dec 5th, 2011, 10:14am:
Judy, I do not agree with your suggestion. There are plenty of lovely cards that never sold because they have never been seen, not because they are not marketable. Many of these may need better keywords or titles or tweaking of the inner verse, but certainly should not be culled.

 
then send those cards back for EDITS... not to be declined.  If we followed through on Judy's suggestion, not that it could make sense if the cards proved to be of poor design, then I'd be left with nearly nothing in my store.  Of almost 300 cards, I've had maybe a dozen to twenty that probably saw a sale.  I keep looking at those non-selling cards and can't find what is wrong with them... if it boils down to ME not marketing them and not on their ability to be marketable, then that should be on me and not in need of being culled.
 
As for the lack of trust here, I am feeling at odds with matters because I lived the "Corporate America" laborer deal for almost 20 years... I didn't like feeling as if I was just a nobody employee - I wanted to know I actually meant something to the company - that my work was valued and gave me a sense of importance in the grand scheme of things.  Perhaps I'm living in a fantasy world, but really now, what's that old saying - you get more bees with honey than with vinegar.  
 
Lots of angry posts have been made, and I admit by me too, out of FRUSTRATION - and it has nothing to do with rejection.  I don't like being unclear about my goals and that's my biggest problem right now - I don't know what GCU's vision for future card submissions entails.
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