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o.k., now I'm really frustrated
Nov 4th, 2011, 2:01pm
 
I understand the need for quality designs, and the need for better standards. But I have sold hundreds of cards here, on this site, with this design. Here it is:
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/invitations/wedding-attendants-bridal-party/ be-my-bridesmaid/cousin/cousin-bridesmaid-request-388142?aid=134247
 
I was attemting to create a card with this same design that people could personalize with a name using the new "edit the front" feature. The card was returned for a few reasons that I can fix. But then the reviewer said the card was too dark and would not print well. Um... if that were the case, I think I would have heard something after two years of having cards with this very design on it on this site and selling several hundred of them! I have even printed out this card for myself and it looked fine! Please help!
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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2011, 2:19pm
 
Yes - sorry but i have had the same problem.  I did an illustrated card in photo shop - I had two versions each had one difference in the type on the front.  One was accepts and the other returned for edits since i had the categories wrong.  when i fixed the category problem and resubmitted it came back with needing other changes in the art that i never was asked to do on the first one that is for sale in my store as we speak.
 
I hate to say it GCU - but in trying to better this site and the quality for all, you have made it nearly impossible for the artist and very frustrating.  In some cases it feels as if you are cutting your nose off to spite your face.  Unfortunately I am starting to move my cards to other sites that don't make it that difficult for the artist and still have high standards and a quality product.....   embarrassed   It's sad because i really liked it here for several years.  I have never seen more complaints from artists about the "process" here before.  It used to be accolades now it's frustrated complaints.
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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2011, 2:51pm
 
I can understand the frustration as I too have experienced returns on cards of which were at one time approved.  But after thinking it through for a couple of days, I realized that just because an image was Approved in the past, IF that approval was prior to the implementation of the marketability standards, then it does not guarantee a new card with that image will be approved now.
 
I figured this out by going back to Mindy's original post and re-reading what it said with a more open mind.  She speaks to both applying these standards to new cards as well as GCU weeding through existing cards . . .  
 
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/forum/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1311637326
 
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Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2011, 3:27pm
 
No, I'm sorry, I'm talking about a card that has made hundreds of dollars for this site. I cannot take this issue with an open mind ... this is simply foolish. Sorry, that is how I feel.
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Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2011, 3:28pm
 
Angela,
Seems like we are all going through some frustration one way or another. Take a deep breath, try to do what they want, and carry on. If it's too much, back off for a few days. It's hard to understand some view points, but know that they are trying to get the best product possible. I've had to redo my art all of my life and it's hard not to take it personally. I really think they are trying to do their best. Hang in there! We all understand.
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Reply #5 - Nov 4th, 2011, 4:15pm
 
Quote from Angela_134247 on Nov 4th, 2011, 2:01pm:
I understand the need for quality designs, and the need for better standards. But I have sold hundreds of cards here, on this site, with this design. Here it is:
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/invitations/wedding-attendants-bridal-party/ be-my-bridesmaid/cousin/cousin-bridesmaid-request-388142?aid=134247

I was attemting to create a card with this same design that people could personalize with a name using the new "edit the front" feature. The card was returned for a few reasons that I can fix. But then the reviewer said the card was too dark and would not print well. Um... if that were the case, I think I would have heard something after two years of having cards with this very design on it on this site and selling several hundred of them! I have even printed out this card for myself and it looked fine! Please help!

 
Angela,
 
Yes, personally I'm not really fond of this one, but that's just me and why we have so many artists on the site.  However, I'd have to agree with you in that if it is selling, then a lot of people have found this card touches their need.  It's not up to the reviewer to make a personal choice on an image whether they like it or not, rather base it on overall composition and of course printability.  
 
I'd have to agree with the reviewer though that it is a little dark and personally, I'd either straighten the line of the lawn to the wedding party or angle it more.  My first impulse was to straighten it like I do when I walk into a house with crooked pictures hanging on the wall.  Also for a wedding, I think light colors, more whites, happy, vibrant tones work better.  However, I'm not the artist or photographer on this one and it is your concept, Whatever I would do different isn't you and in this case works for the story you are trying to tell.
 
The only thing, you might do for a more favorable review process is to have put a note to the reviewer explaining that this is an established design you are using and one which has sold not only once, but several times for various occasions.  Sometimes an image needs some words to explain what it is, especially for someone not trained to understand the use of contrast, lighting and texture in B&W photography.  
 
Wish you the best with this card as it's a proven seller and should be allowed in my opinion.  Perhaps just resubmit it and reply to the email message your reviewer sent you in regard to the changes they felt you needed to make.  They are more than understanding people and have more to gain approving a card than declining one.
 
Best always, Randy
 
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 4th, 2011, 7:00pm
 
I was turned down today for a picture that had already been approved before, just like you. So I know how you feel.  Angry I just went and deleted all versions of that card from my store. The way I see it, they get most of the money when a card sells anyway, so what do I care.  Tongue If they don't want it, I will just send it to someone else and see how it does there. Let someone else make the money on it, it's not like I ever get it all anyway.  Grin
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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2011, 3:22am
 
@Angela, I agree with you on their very weird standards, I too have cards been weeded out for some to me very weird reasons, even cards that sell, and it seems like they are not finished yet :S
 
I can't see any other reason for the reviewers to reject good selling cards than that they "might" themselves be sellers at GCU and definately not objective enough and just wish to get rid of their competitors.
 
And why am I so suspicious of them being competitors, is because they are totally anonymous when they send their rejection/declines/on hold mails ... there is no chance for us to see who has reviewed the cards and are doing the weeding nor to refer back to this and this person for the rude comments they add to the standard comment.
 
And yes, it is so simple to say, you can just remove your shop totally if you don't like it here, how rude is that, we are not allowed to admit certain cards any longer, we are not allowed to say our true opinion and what we really think about all this ... it's either you close your shop yourself or they do it for you, and this post might also get lost somehow suddenly because my opinion shouldn't go out to anyone in here :S
 
I have a hard time agreeing with award winning cards and good selling cards being weeded out, what's then left for selling in here ?
 
I too had found it cozy and enjoyable being here, but these last years seems not so joyable just because some certain artists has squeezed their was all in and have so much more saying to it all, I have been here since the beginning, so I have seen lots of changing in here, for good and definately not good, and those have there been plenty of since a certain time.
 
Art is NOT one way, it's being killed in here just because a smart-a** had a great idea to earn more money and give less for the struggling artist ... hopefully they remember that one day it all stops and it all will fall into a downwards spinning wheel.
 
The weird spinning process here looks like how it was just up till and to the end where the whole world economic crashed and still am, I am sorry but I don't think this is a secure future ... no house of cards is secure Grin
 
To justify a few things though, the weeding of my cards has not been all that bad though, there are some of those which got declined I could agree with, they were NOT selling and their points were not offending but right ... BUT, when this is said, I CAN NOT AGREE to my best selling cards being weeded out and being offended by rude remarks :S
 
And, as a final note, I find it very weird, that cards for the seasons is being pulled out right when the season is here, like Halloween for now, suddenly my Halloween cards went on hold 1-2 weeks before and still am on hold and some declined ??? ... what about Christmas, are they waiting till it starts and then take them all of then too ??? .... :S
 
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Reply #8 - Nov 5th, 2011, 9:17am
 
We have some very disgruntled artists here at GCU. Maybe the new standards should be revised or at least reviewed to exclude selling cards. Doesn't GCU want to keep customers? I myself am getting used to the declined message. I don't take it as personally as I used to. I'm proud of that because I'm very thin-skinned! So, I am going to keep on "keeping on" and do the very best I can. GCU is the best place for me right now and I have to design cards to keep my sanity! I hope all of my fellow artist friends can handle this frustration. I totally am there for all of you. Email me anytime, if you want to vent: dgpepin@juno.com.
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Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2011, 5:23am
 
I hope everyone realizes what I am trying to say. I understand the need for higher standards. I have agreed with many of the card declines I have recieved. But to me, a greeting card is not a stock photo. It's an element that combines a picture and text, (or one of these) to convey a certain emotion. In some cases, a not so perfect photo will do that. And it doesn't make sense to decline a design that has already proven itself many times over. Sometimes there is a complete difference between art and commercial appeal. A breakfast cereal commercial will probably not win any Sundance awards. But it conveys the message and gets the job done.
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Reply #10 - Nov 6th, 2011, 7:43am
 
Angela,
I totally understand your point of view. There is a reason a card sells: it appeals to a customer and is what they are looking for. To alter that is to take away the customer and that unique appeal. If we have cookie cutter cards, then we are trying to be like Hallmark. I thought GCU was trying to be different and offer the unusual card not found in a store. I don't think I could design a "safe" card anymore. I used to, to please marketing people to sell to a certain demographic. But, here at GCU, we have the freedom to do what we want, or at least we used to. I think people come to this website because they want the unusual and not Hallmark. If we change too much, we'll lose customers. That's my opinion.  lips sealed
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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2011, 7:50am
 
Quote from Angela_134247 on Nov 6th, 2011, 5:23am:
I hope everyone realizes what I am trying to say. I understand the need for higher standards. I have agreed with many of the card declines I have recieved. But to me, a greeting card is not a stock photo. It's an element that combines a picture and text, (or one of these) to convey a certain emotion. In some cases, a not so perfect photo will do that. And it doesn't make sense to decline a design that has already proven itself many times over. Sometimes there is a complete difference between art and commercial appeal. A breakfast cereal commercial will probably not win any Sundance awards. But it conveys the message and gets the job done.

 
Well stated Angela; let me play 'devil's advocate' though . . . You state "Sometimes there is a complete difference between art and commercial appeal."  
 
And you are correct, there often is in fact.  Speaking as someone who has owned a gallery, curated art shows and in general lived in the Art World for many years PRIOR to moving my work online and into the Commercial World - Greeting Card Universe IS NOT an art site, they are a greeting card publisher which makes them lean heavily on the side of commercial appeal to stand beside their competition.  A gallery and sites such as Redbubble and FineArt America lean heavily into the non-commercial art world which is why ALL art is accepted on those sites.  
 
I remind myself of this often as I create greeting cards and this has paid off well for me.  It's just my take on the situation, but I feel it's important to remember when we design greeting cards that we are creating imagery for a product to sell in a commercial market rather than creating a piece of art for the art world.
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Reply #12 - Nov 6th, 2011, 8:05am
 
I agree, Angela, that sometimes a quirky photo rather than a "perfect" photo does attract buyers and can have commercial appeal, especially when combined with your great text.  The card you linked to is a best seller, so I'd be afraid to mess with success.  
 
Perhaps the reviewers only want you to lighten the dark areas, though, because of a change in printers since the the card was first approved. Maybe cards are printing darker.  Good luck!  
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Reply #13 - Nov 6th, 2011, 9:44am
 
Quote from Doreen_137017 on Nov 6th, 2011, 7:50am:
I remind myself of this often as I create greeting cards and this has paid off well for me.  It's just my take on the situation, but I feel it's important to remember when we design greeting cards that we are creating imagery for a product to sell in a commercial market rather than creating a piece of art for the art world.

 
so really and please don't take this as me being snotty - it's really coming down to ONLY making "safe, cookie cutter" designs.  I guess I am still just too stupid to wrap my brain around this definition of "marketable" if something quirky and different art or not art is being cast off especially if the card is selling well.  I keep asking on such threads because I learn by example - if someone is running into a problem with a card, I like to know what the deal is so I can add something to my skill set.
 
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Reply #14 - Nov 6th, 2011, 11:59am
 
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I remind myself of this often as I create greeting cards and this has paid off well for me.  It's just my take on the situation, but I feel it's important to remember when we design greeting cards that we are creating imagery for a product to sell in a commercial market rather than creating a piece of art for the art world. [/quote]
 
 
That's exactly what I'm saying, Doreen. Sometimes a red blob on a greeting card is all that is needed to make a best-selling card. I just feel like applying these solid rules to every single image is going to end up being a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Such as saying no to a card just because it contains the shadow of a dog. What if the card is all about a shadow? I created a card for Ash Wednesday that is a shadow of a cross. It's a neat card. Will it be declined because it contains a shadow?
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