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Rebecca_140932
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Re: A proposal on images
Reply #45 - Nov 21st, 2011, 8:05pm
 
Let me just throw this out there.  Wink Would you (meaning all artists) be on here complaining if you knew that the reviewer who turned down your card was a true professional from some place like National Geographic, instead of just another artists here on GCU, who they consider to be a professional?
 
Just wondering if maybe that is the real problem here with all the work being turned down and the bad vibes going on here in the forum.  
 
I have always thought to myself, if someone was a true professional here, they should be proud and not be sentenced to hiding their identity from the artists. If we were shown their true professionalism by putting a face to their accomplishments, then how could we as artists not have respect enough to take their opinions of our work to heart and run with it?  
 
I think the reviewers need to have a profile showing us artists exactly who is giving us advice here. I know every reviewer has a number. That could be kept secret. Just knowing who is over us would help us understand that we are not being picked on, but taught by a real professional.  Smiley
 
What do you all think? Would this help?  undecided
 
I think it would help me. I have more respect for someone who has proof of their status, than someone who just tells me so. I want to see for myself. Show me; don't tell me.    
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Reply #46 - Nov 21st, 2011, 10:30pm
 
Perhaps where we are going wrong is calling ourselves artists. If GCU had just called us all Card Designers from the start, would we still be having this debate? Anybody can call themselves an artist, all it takes is a scribble on a bit of paper, and woe betide anybody who criticizes it! Card designing, on the other hand, is a skill that can be quantified.
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Reply #47 - Nov 22nd, 2011, 12:41am
 
Quote from Norma_133903 on Nov 21st, 2011, 10:30pm:
Perhaps where we are going wrong is calling ourselves artists. If GCU had just called us all Card Designers from the start, would we still be having this debate? Anybody can call themselves an artist, all it takes is a scribble on a bit of paper, and woe betide anybody who criticizes it! Card designing, on the other hand, is a skill that can be quantified.

 
Surely the best, and possibly the only, measure of that 'skill' is whether or not the card sells!
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Reply #48 - Nov 22nd, 2011, 3:54am
 
Rebecca, I love your suggestion here... I don't know who is critiquing my work.  I have no idea if it might be someone with a thing AGAINST my work - maybe feeling I'm competition (been there done that in another hobby of mine).  I work through example - I DO take the feedback seriously - I DO go read every single tutorial and helpful website fellow successful artists here post trying to learn those skills to create a good greeting card.  I AM looking to do well and do it RIGHT for me and for GCU.
 
As for being an artist, I am sorry - but when I watch sales of "artwork" by so in so artists who just took a canvas, dribbled a few different colors of paint on it and puts a thumbs up that this is a winner and THEN sells it for gross amounts of money and calls himself an artist - give me a break.  Heck man, a monkey can do that - and actually, I've followed the work of penguins doing much the same.  
 
In that respect, I AM an artist.
 
I'm looking to make sales and whether you call yourself an artist or a designer of greeting cards makes no difference to me - yes, in the end, it's the sales that tell the story and the WHOLE reason for my gripe at the moment.  It has nothing to do with being called "artist" or "designer" but about the inconsistencies of review - not knowing who doing the reviewing - and how WE 'designers' go about learning the skills/tools necessary to be successful.
 
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Reply #49 - Nov 22nd, 2011, 4:47pm
 
Much discussed here.  I will reply yet knowing that I cannot appease or address all brought up or ease everyones concerns and worries.
 
1. Professionally Education/Trained - We've shared this before but clearly worth stating again.  You do NOT have to be professionally trained artist of any nature to sell on GCU.  However the work you submit, and GCU accepts, should be professional (which does not = perfect) but a high quality of work.
 
I like Janet's shared article titled Perfectionism kills Creativity.  The main point being an artistic focus and pressure to produce perfection will stymie creativity.  Makes sense.  An artist should practice their trade, log lots of hours, produce many creations with reckless abandon.  However it doesn't mean that each and every resulting creation will be marketable.  There are sure to be some brillant results that are keepers and some less than stellar results, that are not keepers.
 
Relating to GCU, artists should create lots of cards but not expect that each and every one will be accepted.  
 
2. Card Reviewer Qualifications - The mere fact that GCU has partnered with a given artist to be on the review team should be evidence enough that they have the required qualifications and are fairminded and impartial.  Our intent for the anonomity has more to do with removing them from any undue pressure, pointed critism among other things.
 
3. Shopper Feedback - Anyone with a GCU account can comment on cards, shoppers and artists.  We do send a follow up email to all shoppers for feedback on their purchase in the form of a testimonial.  We receive many of these and they are glowing!  Asking them to comment on each and every card they purchase would be cumbersome espeically since many orders consist of multiple cards by more than one artist.  
 
Overall the issue is with the new marketability guidelines.  We hear your frustrations and yes, anger.  It has been a trying process for GCU to draw the line of marketability as well as our review team to put it into practice card by card.  As I’ve said many times, it is a subjective process as each card is unique and a new assessment.  
 
One thing is clear.  That there should be some level of marketability for GCU to say no thank you to some cards.  Unfortunately there are some artists that don't agree with this statement which is the first issue.  The second issue is where that line should be drawn, how high should the bar be set.  The bar we've set is easily achievable we just need to work on applying it in a more consistent fashion.
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Reply #50 - Nov 23rd, 2011, 4:01am
 
Mindy
 
Let me first and foremost say thank you again for replying.  I've been having a wicked time feeling all warm and fuzzy and like the "black sheep" of GCU for voicing my frustrations with this new process.  At first, I panicked and then tried to embrace it.  Now, I'm panicked again after following several threads of other frustrated artists.  Let me say this - I am NOT angry with GCU - just wildly confused with everything going on.  I've been here for three years, have less than 300 cards in my store, and tried to look at the good in that my year-to-date- sales have improved - certainly nothing to write home about, but hey... one step at a time.
 
I've personally taken every suggestion, website link, and critique seriously and part of me still feels I'm missing the big picture - so that equates to my feeling very frustrated with the new process.  I totally get the need for raising the bar and being the best I can be.  However, I feel that when I state my concerns and frustration, I'm being looked upon as some bad person for doing so.  I've been told it's all a learning curve - call me impatient to learn to do well.
 
Right now, I feel I don't offer quality enough cards so I'm taking a step back.  I am looking at the other work submitted that is selling well and trying to learn from it.  I'll do my best to learn some new skills but right now, I don't feel I can meet your requirements and partly because maybe I don't know the true meaning of what being a 'greeting card designer' actually is.  I'm seeing posts about being the perfect photographer - and yet contradictions made by others that card designing is different.  And maybe I'm just misinterpreting it all.  I worry every day my only selling card will meet with the axe and that will really leave me with nothing.  Maybe I shouldn't worry - but I am - end of story.  
 
So, at the moment, I am going to take a step back until some of the 'bugs' are dealt with - I'll try to learn all I can, but I honestly don't feel I'm capable of meeting your new requirements.  I've had people look at my cards and offer kind remarks - but this isn't telling me if my cards are "marketable".  Until I figure that out, I need to back off a bit and wait until GCU completes it's thinning process of all cards and see what I'm left with in the end.  I pour my heart and soul into each card to the best of my ability - and the inconsistencies and other issues are setting me right back into a situation I previously experienced - that it wasn't my work at all, but some other factor I'd rather not discuss here.
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Reply #51 - Nov 29th, 2011, 3:47pm
 
I still feel that the reviewers are going over the top with their standards for photographs in a way that has nothing to do with 'marketability'.  
 
I recently made a custom front card using a photograph that I used previously for a card that has sold well over recent months, in fact one was ordered only yesterday - and the new card was declined today!
 
Surely the customers' views matter?
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