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Angela_134247
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A proposal on images
Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:25am
 
O.k., so I know there are many of us that feel very frustrated by the new standards. I understand the need for quality guidelines, but as an artist who has sold over 20,000 cards on this site (many of which would probably have not passed with the new guidelines) I find it extremely discouraging to create 10 cards with the same image (different text on the front) and have them all rejected due to a discrepensy in the photo. Therefore, I submit this proposal. Give artists a way to submit photos first before they make them into cards. Artists could choose weather or not to do this. If the photo passes scrutiny by a reviewer, then a note would be added to let other reviewers know the image has passed inspection. Personally, this would be of great help to me. In the long run, I think this would create less work for everyone. What do ya'll think?
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Reply #1 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:42am
 
Why are they even reviewing your cards, anyone who has sold that many cards apparently knows more about photography than the reviewers!
 
BTW congratulations!!
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:50am
 
Hi Angela, as nice as that would be, the correct procedure would be to submit one card ONLY with an image, and make sure it passes the new 'Marketability Standards' before submitting multiple cards with that exact image. Much easier on the artist, and on the reviewers.
 
Thanks so much!
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Reply #3 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 8:31am
 
Quote from Card_Review_Team on Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:50am:
Hi Angela, as nice as that would be, the correct procedure would be to submit one card ONLY with an image, and make sure it passes the new 'Marketability Standards' before submitting multiple cards with that exact image. Much easier on the artist, and on the reviewers.

Thanks so much!
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Angela,
 
Yes, exactly what I was going to inject here.  lately that's what I've been doing and seems to work.  Rather than spending hours coming up with text and inside verse, first submit one easy card, say one for 'Collections - Blank Card'  and then if approved, you'll know that your photo is basically acceptable and you can create additional variations and categories for that image with reasonable confidence there won't be an image issue.
 
I know as an artist and photographer for over forty years, I have a pretty big ego when it comes to my art and don't take lightly to criticism, above all, rejection, but when it comes to marketability, sometimes have to give in and accept others opinions of what will work and what won't.   embarrassed
 
Anyway, I feel for you and can't say with this particular image, but as far as most of your other work, your stuff is exceptional and is why you've been blessed with over 20,000 sales!    
 
Best Always, Randy
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Reply #4 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 8:57am
 
I'm sorry if I came accross as being egotistical, that was not my intent at all.  embarrassed
It just takes so very long for a card to get through the review process. Also, I have had different reviewers with different opinions on the same card, so even though a blank card may pass with one, there is no guarantee it will pass another. That's why I was proposing if a photo was approved, there would be a note so it could pass with other reviewers.
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Reply #5 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:30am
 
Quote from Card_Review_Team on Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:50am:
Hi Angela, as nice as that would be, the correct procedure would be to submit one card ONLY with an image, and make sure it passes the new 'Marketability Standards' before submitting multiple cards with that exact image. Much easier on the artist, and on the reviewers.

Thanks so much!
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I have just started doing this exact thing to save myself the work involved in creating a batch of cards and having them be all rejected.  This last batch I submitted are single cards each a different image, I will delete the ones that get declined and start working on the series for occassions or holidays for the cards that do get approved.  Most of these cards have already been approved as all occassion cards so it is interesting to see some of these now get declined.    
 
One suggestion I do have of the reviewers is scince we now have reviewers that are experts on photography, if you add a comment on the card like "has shadows" and I email you to ask what shadows you are talking about, please respond back and let me know what part of the image you are talking about.  When I do ask, I get no response!!  sometimes I think the reviewer just adds that on to decline the card just to add a phrase that sounds like they know what they are talking about, so the artists do not question their comments.   Respond! and let me know what you mean, help us out! that way the next time I go out photographing dogs I will know what to look for in lighting or what to clean up on the photograph before I submit it.  It's not a matter of being egotistical, It is just frustration. As an example  one of my images that got declined over bad composition and shadows here is on sale in a couple of major stock photography sites, and was approved, they are extremely strict, you have to be approved to even submit photos, so It is interesting.  
 
I just hope the recent cards approved under the new standards do not get declined by a different reviewer, this would just be too much!!
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 1:14pm
 
Quote from Card_Review_Team on Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:50am:
Hi Angela, as nice as that would be, the correct procedure would be to submit one card ONLY with an image, and make sure it passes the new 'Marketability Standards' before submitting multiple cards with that exact image. Much easier on the artist, and on the reviewers.

Thanks so much!
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Yes!  This has worked well for many artists who submit one before making the masses and put in the Notes to Reviewer field something about ... testing the waters with this image before making more using the same image.  
 
This note to reviewers will be useful for the review team and will stay with the card's history.  
 
When you submit follow on cards with the same image it's a good idea to again leverage the Note to Reviewer field and put something like, based on the already approved image of pid#.  This way any  reviewer can look back to the original pid# referenced and see it was submitted and approved giving you the green light for more.
 
Sound good?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 1:24pm
 
Quote from MONICA_135645 on Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:30am:
Quote from Card_Review_Team on Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:50am:
Hi Angela, as nice as that would be, the correct procedure would be to submit one card ONLY with an image, and make sure it passes the new 'Marketability Standards' before submitting multiple cards with that exact image. Much easier on the artist, and on the reviewers.

Thanks so much!
Reviewer 528


I have just started doing this exact thing to save myself the work involved in creating a batch of cards and having them be all rejected.  This last batch I submitted are single cards each a different image, I will delete the ones that get declined and start working on the series for occassions or holidays for the cards that do get approved.  Most of these cards have already been approved as all occassion cards so it is interesting to see some of these now get declined.  

One suggestion I do have of the reviewers is scince we now have reviewers that are experts on photography, if you add a comment on the card like "has shadows" and I email you to ask what shadows you are talking about, please respond back and let me know what part of the image you are talking about.  When I do ask, I get no response!!  sometimes I think the reviewer just adds that on to decline the card just to add a phrase that sounds like they know what they are talking about, so the artists do not question their comments.   Respond! and let me know what you mean, help us out! that way the next time I go out photographing dogs I will know what to look for in lighting or what to clean up on the photograph before I submit it.  It's not a matter of being egotistical, It is just frustration. As an example  one of my images that got declined over bad composition and shadows here is on sale in a couple of major stock photography sites, and was approved, they are extremely strict, you have to be approved to even submit photos, so It is interesting.  

I just hope the recent cards approved under the new standards do not get declined by a different reviewer, this would just be too much!!


 
Reviewers should be responding to your questions for additional information.  I see these emails come across on a daily basis.  Important for you to include in your subject line  a) the pid# in question and b) if easy the reviewer id# as well.  A foolproof way to do so is to simply reply to the original card review email for that card.
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Reply #8 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 6:48pm
 
Having an image approved by one reviewer does not mean a thing. I have had several images approved, then the same image declined by a different reviewer shortly afterwards, on cards with different text..Perhaps the reviewers could put some sort of indication that an image has been approved, that the other reviewers could see.
Thanks M cryary.
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Reply #9 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 7:33pm
 
Maybe there could be 1 or 2 reviewers that only approve photos? There might be more consistency then. I'm just trying to think of a solution to this problem we have been having. Seems like the review system has become more problematic with these "new standards" and we need to get back to simplicity.
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Reply #10 - Nov 3rd, 2011, 8:50pm
 
Thanks Mindy, I will do that in future ie..(based on approved image) in note to reviewer.
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Reply #11 - Nov 13th, 2011, 5:19am
 
I submitted a new sunset picture that I plan to use for anniversary cards ... it's a perfectly beautiful picture ... it was put on hold.  Angry I guess we'll see.
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Reply #12 - Nov 13th, 2011, 5:51pm
 
HaHa!  I just had a card declined too and on my birthday!  cry  
The reviewer says it doesn't meet GCU's marketability standards as the foreground is out of focus and the sky is pixleated.  It's supposed to be that way and has been exaggerated to that point to look like immpressionistic art.  It's a seacoast scene with the beach and cliffs in the backgound and flowers and a post in the immediate foreground.  It was a photo shot by a friend of mine and I played with it in post editing to get the artistic feel I wanted to make it look more like a painting.  
I've gotten some rave compliments on the image.  Now I know what you guys are talking about.  The reviewers aren't always aware of their subject and when it comes to understanding marketability, they have no idea what they are doing, it's just a crap shoot!
Anyway, that is my humble opinion(OK, not so humble as I've been doing this stuff for a long time).  I've got a couple of wedding invitations that I submitted and vignetted the outside edges and blurred it on purpose to give that dreamy feel to the card.  Wonder if that'll pass or if everything if a photograph has to be crystal sharp focus, even if that's not the feel we want to convey.  
I think GCU is pretty much off base on some of their decisions.  If they are so concerned with space and what content their artists are presenting, then change the format to Hallmark and make or buy their own cards.  After all what do these new standards give them an advantage in, except for limiting artists creativity.
Perhaps this is a bad image, but I didn''t really think so and as far as the focus, this is a scenic image, blur the foreground to add depth to the overall scene.  A basic rule of photography that all good artists use.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
I forget what all this hoopla was about in the first place.  Was it that GCU has too many cards and needs the extra bandwidth or are they trying to assert their authority by controling artists more.  If the later is the case, they will destroy the very platform that this site was built on.  That of everyday artists being able to market their work in a friendly atmosphere.  Anyway, didn't think it was a problem until reading all the sob stories here in the forum and then having this image wihich I personally thought was good declined.
 
I did a race car photo of an antique dragster with this same effect and have sold many copies of it.  But, what do I know???
 
Here are the images that I submitted to my Private Gallery.  The seacoast one has been declined, but the wedding shot is up with several invitations in the works if the two I submitted are approved.  Some opinions please and don't be afraid of honesty.  I can't throw my mouse through the computer!   Grin
  
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/collections/any-occasion-blank-note-cards/co astal-seaside-beach/greeting-card-880503?aid=140313
 
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/invitations/wedding/general/greeting-card-88 0504?aid=140313
 
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Reply #13 - Nov 13th, 2011, 9:23pm
 
Well Randy, they both look fine to me, I love the fading effect, very romantic.
I have just had a whole lot of Christmas cards declined because of the image of a turkey( not relevent!)...as far as I am concerned, eating turkey is part of the ritual of Christmas, here in Oz and Europe, in fact most of the Western World!
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Reply #14 - Nov 13th, 2011, 10:29pm
 
Randy, I am afraid I agree with the review about the sky on the seaside image. It does not look artistic, just badly pixelated. It is a lovely image, but looks like a badly taken photo rather than an artistic effort.
Did the original picture have problems?
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