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Reply #15 - Mar 6th, 2011, 7:05pm
 
This is a great question Randall.  
I have some wonderful close up shots of old cars, motorcycles and tractors but have hesitated putting them up.  
I'd really appreciate having an admin give us a little clarity and guidance.
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Reply #16 - Mar 7th, 2011, 6:58pm
 
Haven't seen anything further on this Admins & reviewers... what are the thoughts/rules on this?
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Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2011, 1:54am
 
I know if you are using a person's image and you do not have a signed document stating you can use their image, the only way you can use that picture is if the person is not recognizable. I have many pictures of feet, hands, sillouettes and back views of people that are fine because you cannot recognize them. Any pictures I have of people (like my fairytale photos) my sister and I have obtained signed consent forms. It's kind of funny, I still occassionally get contacted from firends who know the people in our photos who demand to know if these girls realize what we have used their pictures for. We always say yes, of course.
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Reply #18 - Mar 8th, 2011, 6:09am
 
Quote from Angela_134247 on Mar 8th, 2011, 1:54am:
I know if you are using a person's image and you do not have a signed document stating you can use their image, the only way you can use that picture is if the person is not recognizable. I have many pictures of feet, hands, sillouettes and back views of people that are fine because you cannot recognize them. Any pictures I have of people (like my fairytale photos) my sister and I have obtained signed consent forms. It's kind of funny, I still occassionally get contacted from firends who know the people in our photos who demand to know if these girls realize what we have used their pictures for. We always say yes, of course.

 
That makes sense of course, but part of the discussion and need for clarification came because in the case of an auto/motorcycle, what will be considered identifiable as a brand & therefore copyright infringement?  
 
There are photos of autos/motorcycles (closeups and full shots) on the site, and yet some people have had their items bounced because a reviewer thought there was a violation - even though no logo or name was showing.
Ex: http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/-Classic+Blue-greeting+card-429196?pid=42919 6&ref=cb_card_title
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/-Blue+Classic+Car-greeting+card-671790?pid=6 71790&ref=cb_card_title
 
As I said I have great photos of cards & tractors & motorcycles and would love to know ahead of time if they'll be bounced outright or if there's a rule of thumb (so I don't waste hours prepping, putting in type & making 20 cards?). Is the trick to NOT name the brand in the keywords or title? Or say the name in the inside text?
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Reply #19 - Mar 8th, 2011, 6:36am
 

Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2011, 12:32pm   Quote from Doreen_137017 on Mar 6th, 2011, 12:28pm:
 
I'm thinking along with you Doreen.  Also wondering about some of the photos I've taken of people but digitally manipulated the image so that it now mostly depicts a profession or someone engaged in an activity.  If a person were to say that it was them, yes perhaps the features are similar, but it's not defenative, especially in the case of heavy makeup and costuming.  Also if you draw or paint an image of a person and it looks inadverently similar to someone is that an issue or are those images and the ones I referred to acceptable without model releases?  
The one image in paticular is of a female black entertainer in a small local troupe.  Her features and makeup say 20's Jazz all over them and I've saturated and grained the image so much it looks like a painting or air brush piece.  You could say it was her or could be anybody with similar features.    
 
 
Sorry, I was responding to this question.
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Reply #20 - Mar 8th, 2011, 7:15am
 
Gotchya Angela - I was confused...but I do seek some kind of definitive answer to the original thread post about cars/motorcycles, etc.
 
IMO the case of changing features, make up, silo, close cropping, etc in the case of people is not the same as what constitutes copyright infringement of a brand. On a car, a headlight or steering wheel, or even a silo'd profile is identifiable as a Ford or a CHevy.  
 
Just looking for an answer.
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Reply #21 - Mar 8th, 2011, 12:32pm
 
Hello All,
 
Here is what is written in the Wiki regarding greeting cards with cars:
 
# Automotive/Car Rules - GCU will approve images of cars/vehicles where the make/model is indistinguishable. No branding elements should be in the image nor in any of the text (title, keywords, verse, notes, etc.). This includes car likenesses in both photographic and artistic renditions.
 
    * Private Cards with a Car - GCU will approve images of cars for Private galleries under the following circumstances:
         o The artist feels they have the rights to use the image for resale
         o NO Volkswagens will be allowed even in private stores
         o No branding, make/model manufacturer’s names should be used which includes keywords, titles and the like
         o The card remains Private  
    * GENERAL - Car image cards must be abstract or partial in nature so even the defining body lines and profile can not be identified. This is due to “Trade Dress” laws. Antique/Vintage cars of the 20’s and 30’s will be considered with a softer eye ie: Model-T but still must not contain any logs, emblems, make & model names.  
 
Hope this helps!
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Reply #22 - Mar 8th, 2011, 2:52pm
 
Quote from KC_141411 on Mar 8th, 2011, 12:32pm:
Hello All,

Here is what is written in the Wiki regarding greeting cards with cars:

# Automotive/Car Rules - GCU will approve images of cars/vehicles where the make/model is indistinguishable. No branding elements should be in the image nor in any of the text (title, keywords, verse, notes, etc.). This includes car likenesses in both photographic and artistic renditions.

   * Private Cards with a Car - GCU will approve images of cars for Private galleries under the following circumstances:
   o The artist feels they have the rights to use the image for resale
   o NO Volkswagens will be allowed even in private stores
   o No branding, make/model manufacturer’s names should be used which includes keywords, titles and the like
   o The card remains Private
   * GENERAL - Car image cards must be abstract or partial in nature so even the defining body lines and profile can not be identified. This is due to “Trade Dress” laws. Antique/Vintage cars of the 20’s and 30’s will be considered with a softer eye ie: Model-T but still must not contain any logs, emblems, make & model names.

Hope this helps!

 
Thanks KC - This seems to answer the questions, though it seems like some of the cards already on GCU would be sort of "flying close to the sun" on these criteria.
I'm glad we all had this conversation!
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Reply #23 - Mar 9th, 2011, 1:09am
 
Yes, thanks for digging that up KC.  I looked and looked and was just missing it, but knew I had read something in the Wiki a while back.  That's exactly what I was looking for!  I've already submitted a couple of cards with this image and will leave it at that in case I have trouble getting them approved.  I've got a couple approved already of some other older vehicles, but wanted to try and cater to the fifty something crowd of car inthusiasts.  To be truthfull, when I shot this image I may have known what the car was, but coming across this image recently and deciding to work with it, I couldn't readily identify the make or model until I went back to my image folder and found other images showing more of the car and was able to see the De Soto emblem in a couple of them.  I then had to google the make and find model names that appeared to fit the  side emblem as I couldn't make out all the letters due to the designers artistic touch which like a lot of scripts, are not really practical if you expect someone to be able to read your texts.
 
If you don't mind KC or someone else from the team, please check the image at my private gallery and give your opinion whether that fits within the parameters of GCU's structure.
 
 http://artist.greetingcarduniverse.com/-Best+50s+Classic+Car+taillight+-+51st+Bi rthday-greeting+card-784404?pid=784404&aid=140313&ref=cb_card_title
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Reply #24 - Mar 17th, 2011, 7:30am
 
Hi Randall,
 
I've been thinking of you lately as I have discovered many beautiful photos albeit very-poor quality dpi. My solution has been to run them through VectorMagic.com. They are coming out beautifully and the reviewers have said once I do this, something to the effect that they no longer consider it a photo? You can check with them if you can run your car fins through the vectorizer and see what churns out! Smiley
 
I put one in my private gallery for you to see but can't figure out how to open it up??  cry
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Reply #25 - Mar 17th, 2011, 7:39am
 
Webs - no matter if a photo or other artistic rendering - the rules stand on the car guidelines ...
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Reply #26 - Mar 17th, 2011, 7:49am
 
Well, there's lots to do ... without cars.  Roll Eyes
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