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Jul 10th, 2008, 8:39am
 
I hope it is ok to post this here. I am not sure but I will ask anyway.
 
Is anyone familiar with Greetings by PhotoBox? Has anyone been contacted by them? How do international exchange rates work? (they are in Europe and I am in the US)
 
I received an invitation to be an artist with them and was wondering.
 
You can email me at nikki@13blackcatsdesigns.com if this is not supposed to be discussed here on the boards
 
Thanks everyone
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Reply #1 - Jul 10th, 2008, 10:29am
 
Hi Nikki
They sent me an E-invite too. I assumed they had contacted me thru my UK based illustration portfolio site. Hm-m-m. Wonder if they contacted other GCU artists?
-Di
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Reply #2 - Jul 10th, 2008, 10:55am
 
I know of one other here that got an email. if you checked out the site it only has a few cards available. I guess they are contacting GCU artists through our storefronts.
I am always wary of things like this
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Reply #3 - Jul 10th, 2008, 11:04am
 
Hi Nicole,
 
Tried to email you through the email address you gave but that is not working, neither is your site...  Sad
 
Here are my thoughts on the exchange rate, plus a couple of other thoughts:  
 
First of all, for selling one card up to 500 with Greetings by Photobox, you would get 25 pence, as this is a UK based business.  Right now, the exchange rate from the British Pound to the American Dollar is about half.  51 cents, to be exact.  It is super smart of this company at this time, to court American artists, as 25 pence amounts to about 12 and a half cents American, you pay the currency exchange fees and they make an extra 12.5 pence for every card of yours sold. For the artist, though, hardly worth it, in my opinion.  
 
If, however, you can easily convert your cards to their format, you have nothing to lose but a little bit of time.  The exposure is always good.  And if you do sell a few and the dollar improves in the global market (not likely as long as the current administration holds sway, but any new administration, be it Republican or Democrat, will most likely get an improvement buzz on the economy which could improve our exchange rate situation a bit), then you will have lost little.  
 
Another HOWEVER: if they pay in Pound Sterling through some pay vehicle like e-gold or PayPal, then you will have some fees to pay to convert into American Dollars... Currency exchange rates may very well negate any kind of profit for you... that is, any money that would be worth your time.  For example, when I deal with my Canadian customers, I always make them pay me either by CC (I have a merchant acc't) or if it's a check, they must add 8% currency exchange fee, so $100 is $108 to me.  That usually nets me about $100 by the time the exchange rate is done, as for the first time in history, the Canadian dollar is worth more than the American one... then subtract from the $108 what the bank charges me the its currency exchange fee.
 
Hope this helps and good luck.
 
Ann
 
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 10th, 2008, 1:00pm
 
Congratulations Nicole and Di on the offer Smiley it sounds great Smiley
Both your work are so unique so I can understand why they have asked you to create for them Smiley
 
I went to have a look at the site, I am from Europe but hadn't heard of them before, it looks good and professional in there I say Smiley
I read their terms, there is just one I don't understand fully and think you should be fully aware of what it means, if the work you submit can't be submitted anywhere else and if they own it for the next 48 months, be sure on what it means.
Else it seems fine and dandy Smiley
 
Good luck you two and anyone else who have got a mail from them Smiley
 
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Reply #5 - Jul 10th, 2008, 1:50pm
 
Yes, congratulations Nicole and Di.
 
For the rest of us who weren't contacted, it looks like anyone can submit designs, though they don't accept all designs submitted:
 
http://greetings.photobox.co.uk/page/send-us-card-design
 
As Ann says, the royalty is smaller than what we earn on GCU, but it may be an opportunity to get exposure in another market.
 
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Reply #6 - Jul 10th, 2008, 3:29pm
 
Hey all...just be very careful and read it all.  Take it line by line in the TOS (buried rather deeply in the help section and actually quite reachable on the page Dustin posted)  to decide if it's for you.  I just took a quick look and didn't see the 48 months license but I didn't look very close.  This, in itself, would stop me in my tracks.  If I spend a lot of time making designs to  market there and decide I hate it, darn right I'm gonna wanna pick up my toys I worked so hard for and leave.  Remember the legals are based in England also, not only the payouts.  Thats OK as long as it's an educated decision.  
 
Apparently some companies are indeed coming in thru our GCU storefront contact info.  Several of us (at the very least) recently were approached about another site dogging GCU badly under the guise of a real "personal" approach.  Do some googling on them/parent companies/etc.  before you take the leap.  (i did not by the way in this new situation so i don't know their story but i know the older one)  Often times, there are many things to be learned by connecting the google dots.
 
just tryin to help
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Reply #7 - Jul 10th, 2008, 3:37pm
 
just another thought...I don't see any stores or galleries dedicated to the individual artists.  I clicked on their tiny little linked named but the tiny cards that came up at bottom were from varied artists NOT a link to anything branding them other than the main site.  With the new "back of card" option and our own "storefront", GCU wins on that part easily.
 
again, i may be wrong so take it for what it's worth.
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Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2008, 3:40pm
 
Cheesy Thank you everyone for all of the help (the ones that posted here and the ones that emailed.)
 
I decided against joining them for the simple reason of I like it here so much and I would rather get my store here as good as posible before venturing out elsewhere.  
 
The exchange thing is too much for my artist brain to wrap around (though I understand it thanks to Ann) and the TOS is not kosher with me if in fact they own the art for any amount of time. I don't care if it is 5 minutes.
 
It seems like a legit company, I guess I am so spam wary I think everything is a scam LOL
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Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2008, 11:17pm
 
Colleen I went back to find the page where I saw this on 48 months, suddenly I couldn't find it and when clicking in the terms & conditions I got suddenly another type f terms ??? then I remember where I had been in there, I have the habbit of clicking in anything there are to be clicked on to see what's behind  Grin
 
At the end, there you can submit your work, a new window pops up, and here on the first page you have to tick the box of agreeing with their terms and conditions, but if you don't read them in there you never know, they obviously have more than the huge one.
 
If clicking on the link there for terms and conditions a new PDF window opens and there are the other terms so different than the other ones, I was wondering it was so short and not fulfilling like GCU etc.
 
Here is the link directly to the page:
There are only two pages, scroll down to page two and you find what I meant with 48 months Smiley
http://assets.photobox.com/assets/content_graphics/files/pdf/GreetingsbyPhotobox _HeadsofTerms.pdf
 
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Reply #10 - Jul 10th, 2008, 11:35pm
 
One more thing I forgot to say is, on the page "Send us a Card Design" you can click three times in Terms and Conditions, but I've just found out they are not the same, two of them have the same link in their urls and the third is different and shorter ???
 
So if you have clicked in all three you probably don't want to click in a fourth under submitting your artwork where you have to click agreeing with the terms and conditions, that I find odd and suspecious, like trapping the artists into conditions they thought differently ?
 
The company might be okay and have good intensions, but .... I am suspicious when they am not informing you there are several different terms and conditions!
 
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Reply #11 - Jul 11th, 2008, 8:04pm
 
Since I have been on GCU, I have received numerous requests from other online sites:  "We want your artwork", "Sell you art on our site", "You have been invited...." blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, etc.  
READ EVERYTHING CAREFULLY.  I've not taken anyone up on any of these.  
 
We DO retain ownership of our own art on GCU and have not had to sign any kind of agreement that reserves our art to GCU.  This is a GOOD thing.  Many of these sites require a seclusive contract with no guarantees.  Just read everything carefully, and if you have questions, contact them!
 
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Reply #12 - Jul 17th, 2008, 9:17am
 
Hi All,
 Just wanted to thank everyone for chiming in & helping me make a good decision -NO  to Photobox. Between the exchange rate problems, and the terms which I must add I hadn't caught the 48months exclusive part until you guys saw it...good eyes.
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Reply #13 - Jul 18th, 2008, 4:52am
 
The question of retaining rights--or none at all-should be taken seriously.  I have been contacted by two other artist friends of mine about another card website 'stealing' their images and listing them as someone else's cards with different text--yikes!!!  
 
GCU images are not 'taken' by GCU, just used as intended for 'your' cards--other websites, after receiving your images, DO have fine print in their 'terms and conditions' and can sometimes use them at their discretion--whether you're informed, really 'agree' or not.
 
Read carefully!
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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2008, 9:35pm
 
Kerra & all--
 
Ditto.  READ CAREFULLY any online contract you may decide to get into.
 
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