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Card pricing and artist license fees
Jun 20th, 2008, 12:30pm
 
Hello,
 
It is my pleasure to make my first post and have the opportunity to speak with all of you.  This past year has been an exciting one watching GCU grow and witnessing our creative artist community reaching over 1,350 artists to date.  Thank you for all of your hard work!
 
The purpose of my post has to do with card prices and artist license fees.
 
When GCU started we set a license fee at a flat rate of $.50 a card sold based on a card-selling price of $2.49.  In doing so we knew there was little to no room for profitable discounting.  In fact, at a card price of $2.29 or below GCU actually loses money, considering costs like printing and fulfillment; artist, seller and merchant fees; and overhead (customer and technical support).  
 
As we learn and move forward, GCU’s goal is quite simply to sell more cards.  In the process make sure that GCU no longer loses money on sales and that artists continue to be compensated fairly.   This will also allow GCU to pursue marketing and advertising activities that have not been done in earnest to date.
 
Today we are all missing out on large quantity sales because our prices are not competitive.  With a few changes we believe we can begin to capture those lost sales and at the same time increase earnings for both GCU and our artists.  This will require a new pricing and artist fee structure.
 
We are considering the following and would like your feedback.
   
RAISE PRICES FOR MOST LIKELY SALES & INCREASE DISCOUNTS FOR QUANTITY ORDERS OF ASSORTED CARD - orders with two or more different card types.
 
We propose to raise card prices to $2.79 (see proposed pricing below).  This will boost revenues for the majority of our existing orders (99% of GCU orders are less than 25 cards).  From what we have learned we believe there is room for this increase.  At the same time offer deeper discounts for quantity purchases of assorted cards.
 
OFFER BULK ORDER PRICING – orders of quantities over 3,000 of the same card.
 
NEW PRICING AND ARTIST FEE STRUCTURE
In order for us to offer better pricing we require a partner with more flexibility.  We will soon announce our new printing and fulfillment partner who will not only offer higher capacity production at a lower cost but also offer some of the new services that you have been patiently waiting for like back of the card credits, international bulk shipping and more.  
 
We are suggesting an artist fee structure based on percentage of card sales price, net of discounts and promotions.  Note that with a card price increase to $2.79 for up to 24 cards, artists will actually earn more ($.56 per card vs. today’s $.50).  The suggested artist fee structure is as follows -
 
Price Range of Card Sold      Artist Fee Percentage
$2.29 - $2.79                                      20%
$1.89 - $2.28                                      15%
$1.70 - $1.88                                      12%
$.50 - $1.69                                        10%
 
Our new suggested pricing for Assorted Card Orders is  -
 
Quantity per order of Assorted        Card Price           Related Artist Fee
1 – 24                                                   $2.79                      20% = $.56
25 – 49                                                 $2.49                      20% = $.50
50 - 99                                                  $2.29                      20% = $.46
100 – 499                                            $1.79                      12% = $.21                  
500 – 999                                            $1.49                      10% = $.15
1,000 – Plus                                        $1.39                     10% = $.14
 
Our new suggested pricing for Bulk Orders is –
 
Quantity per order of Bulk          Card Price           Related Artist Fee
3,000  - 3,999                                $1.19                     10% = $.12
4,000  - 4,999                                $1.09                     10% = $.11
5,000 – 7,499                                $0.89                     10% = $.09
7,500  - 9,999                                $0.79                     10% = $.08
10,000  - 14,999                           $0.69                     10% = $.07
15,000  - 19,999                           $0.61                     10% = $.06
20,000  - 24,999                           $0.57                     10% = $.06
25,000  - 49,999                           $0.55                     10% = $.06
50,000  - Plus                                $0.51                     10% = $.05
 
Keep in mind these lower priced/lower artist fee orders are for the most part sales we are not capturing today.  It is not money lost out of your pocket nor ours, it is money on the table that we’d like to win!
 
I am certainly interested in your thoughts and feedback.  My goal is to implement changes by July 1, the beginning of the next calendar quarter.
 
Mike Fake
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Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2008, 12:44pm
 
Mike -
 
Thank you for this post.  It looks like GCU has developed a nice formula that allows GCU to make money on every sale, which you aren't currently, and treats the GCU artist well.  I think it is pretty innovative.  Well done!
 
Also, I feel like I just got a 12% raise today since I have never had a Qty order of more than 8 cards or so. This new plan also maintains the 50-cent per card commission, we have been use to, all the way up to 49 cards.  Cool.
 
I support this proposal, and Thank You for the raise!  
I'd send you a Thank You card but I'm out of credits .... Smiley    (perhaps an ecard then.. Grin)
 
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Reply #2 - Jun 20th, 2008, 12:59pm
 
WOW!  THANK YOU, MIKE....THANK YOU GCU!
I am truly revved up about this.  If the quality of our printed cards does not drop, perhaps some of us can, at long last, market our own cards on the outside world too.  This plan looks to me like a real winner, for ALL of us!
Do I approve?  "It's a noooo-brainer!"   Cool
Thanks again,
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Reply #3 - Jun 20th, 2008, 12:59pm
 
Smiley I was wondering when you would raise the price of the cards! Well done! Cool
 
I have done some on line investigation of "other" on line cards and their sites.
1) other sites are not as friendly as GCU
2) The price is more for cards and they do not mail them out to any other address but the buyers in most cases
 
and here is a BIG ONE~
3) They are "limited" in choices as they do not have the artist pool that GCU has Smiley
 
So I am very glad to see this change in pricing about to take place as I feel the market can bear it! I have had nothing but praises for GCU!!!! My personal oppinon is that GCU will out do any of the "big name" card sellers very soon. I myself have done my part to market the site not only for my own art/cards but everyone elses too. BRAVO WELL DONE Cool
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Reply #4 - Jun 20th, 2008, 1:19pm
 
Grin Ditto to all of the above... good news.  Again I say I am privileged to be a part of GCU... It's a great place to be and I'm glad I'm part of it!
 
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Reply #5 - Jun 20th, 2008, 1:36pm
 
Hello Mke!
 
Welcome to the forum.
 
As an artist who regularly makes bulk order sales, I nevertheless welcome the new pricing/license fee structure. Indeed, with this new pricing schedule, I hope to make many more bulk orders, which will help plump out all our wallets. Smiley
 
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Reply #6 - Jun 20th, 2008, 1:51pm
 
Hello Mike,
When I first heard that there would be changes in the amount artists could earn on their cards I was a little concerned, but you have come up with what I think is a very good solution.  I have always thought the quality of GCU cards was so great that they could sell for more.  I think you have come up with a very good solution that I believe we will all benefit from.  I have been with GCU for almost a year now and I am so impressed with the artist community here and how GCU really cares about what the artists think.  Well done!
Kathy
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Reply #7 - Jun 20th, 2008, 1:54pm
 
Hi, Mike.
 
This sounds like a well-considered plan. Increasing bulk sales is obviously a goal we should all share.
 
Thanks for giving the artists the opportunity to weigh in on this.  
 
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Reply #8 - Jun 20th, 2008, 2:03pm
 
Hi Mike,
 
First, welcome on your first forum post!  I'm sure we'll all be eager to see many more postings from you!    Smiley
 
I, too, am delighted to see that GCU will be making a move towards more advertising and making bulk sales more competitive.  The new pricing structure you've presented looks good at a quick glance ... I'd like to study it a little more closely, but it appears very attractive -- for the most part.  
 
One area that concerns me though is the steep drop-off under the Assorted Bulk pricing between the 50-99 and the 100-500 range.  That's a pretty severe cut from $.46 per at 99 cards to $.21 per for 100 cards.  I may be missing something that went into the considerations -- there may be a very good reason for such a sharp drop in commissions fees ... but at first glance, I can't quite imagine what it might be.  
 
This is right off the cuff, without having studied the new model closely yet, but I'm wondering if there's a reason why there could not be a more moderately staged drop-off.  For example ... 100-249 cards @ $1.99, and 250-500 cards @ $1.79 with commensuate artists fees of 15% ($.30) for the $1.99 cards and then drop down to the 12% ($.21) for the 300-500 card range.  Is that something that bears any consideration?  
 
I don't see any problem with reduced artist fees for bulk sales ... I expect it and endorse it for GCU's growth.  And I think the 10% across the board for single-card bulk order of 3k + is certainly fair and reasonable.  But having been fortunate in having a few bulk sales, I'm a little put off by the idea that a bulk sale of 90 cards which I recently had, will actually earn MORE than a bulk sale of anything less than 197 cards under the new structure.  Something just doesn't seem right to me about that.  If the $1.99 cards at a 15% commission is not something worth considering, then I would rather see the Assorted Bulk structure go from 20% for 1-49 ranges to a 15% fee for the 50-500 ranges ... personally, I would rather trade off that 5% on the 50-99 range and pick-it up on the 100-500 range.  And in reality, it would only be a 3% increase over the 12% in the proposed structure.  I can't speak for others, but I'd be happier giving up that 2% on the 10-99 cards and picking up 3% on the 100-500 card sales.  
 
Anyway, that just my initial thoughts on it.  I know a lot of work and thought went into this plan, Mike.  Just want you to know that we very much appreciate that GCU takes the time and goes to the effort of asking for feedback from us.  
 
Looking forward to hearing more on this topic over the next week or so.  Over all, though, great job to everyone at GCU.  Let's get those big bulks going!   Smiley
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 20th, 2008, 2:10pm
 
Hi Mike,
Thank you for filling us in and keeping us abreast of what's going on behind the scenes. This new pricing /fee stucture seems to be fair all the way around and can only help to enhance things at GCU. Thanks for also taking the time to think about meeting the needs of the GCU artists. Smiley
Thanks again.
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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2008, 2:12pm
 
Hi Mike,
I think it is a great idea. I'm also very happy that GCU is artist-friendly and considers the interests of artists  and their feelings when making decisions and not only GCU's. Smiley Smiley. All of you are a very supportive bunch!  
Would like to quote henry ford on teamwork:
Coming together is a beginning.  Keeping together is progress.  Working together is success.  ~Henry Ford
 
have a nice weekend !
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Reply #11 - Jun 20th, 2008, 3:04pm
 
First of all I will be the first to say I am no good with numbers and will have to sit down and really crunch it out but I am not sure this is as exciting for me as it might have been.  though i agree on bulk orders our fees should be on a sliding scale, not sure i understand RAISE PRICES FOR MOST LIKELY SALES --are these the popular / best seller categories that have the most exposure already??  also there was no mention of shipping costs unless i over looked it... do we know yet how that will change as that too may effectively kill the vision we have.
 
I wasn't going to mention this yet but this news has really messed with a plan in place for me and i do not know how it will affect it.   embarrassed  
 
I have spent this past week getting a store fixture and setting up a new mini-card store in the downtown store where my art is exclusive. I already have art cards that are more high end at the store.  we had a great plan in place to add a line of all occasion cards and HAVE to get it going in the next 3 weeks due to a grand opening.
 
while the news here is great news for the artists and I am glad for the chance to earn more on the big bulk sales.  I am not sure what it is going to do to our new venture.  we ( my hubby and I) can not buy massive amounts and I am thinking the 100-125 we were planning to buy may not be cost effective for the pricing schedule we have set up with the store owners.
 
I will wait to see after all numbers are laid out, though since this is not set in stone yet I am not sure what I can count on.
 
I am sorry to be a sad face about it all, but this was very very exciting on our end and for the store owner, a much needed presence that could benefit GCU as well.
 
so I will need to do some homework...... undecided
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Reply #12 - Jun 20th, 2008, 3:09pm
 
Quote from Teri Francis_131425 on Jun 20th, 2008, 2:03pm:

One area that concerns me though is the steep drop-off under the Assorted Bulk pricing between the 50-99 and the 100-500 range.  That's a pretty severe cut from $.46 per at 99 cards to $.21 per for 100 cards.  I may be missing something that went into the considerations -- there may be a very good reason for such a sharp drop in commissions fees ... but at first glance, I can't quite imagine what it might be.  

Teri

 
The way I see it, the card price dropped by 50-cents going from Qty 50 to Qty 100, and so GCU split that reduction 50/50 with the Artists.  They get 25-cents less and we get 25-cents less.  This seems justified imo.
 
Also, we need to Retrain our Brain. BULK sales now are single card orders of 3000+.  Anything else is simply a "Quantity Sale."  
 
Also, as Mike mentioned, GCU lost money on orders over 25 cards ($2.29 card price and below), and it got far worse at 50, 100, 500, and 1000!  This was mainly due to the Artist fee being flat at 50-cents no matter what.  That clearly had to change.
 
Another Retrain our Brain is that the new commission is based on the customer order size.  If they place an order of 100 cards to get the card price of $1.79, then any artist in that order, and there could be several, will get 21-cents per card, regardless of qty of their cards sold in that order.  This is likely very rare, but we will have to accept this, otherwise, again, GCU could lose a lot of money since they only take in $1.79/card on an order like this.
 
The key point is that 99% of orders are less than 25 cards, and so artists will get a 12% raise in commissions with this new structure. The long term average order size is 2.2 cards. (I track this)
 
Also, I have received cards from the new printing partner, and I can't tell a difference.  I suspect they use the exact same POD printing machine as the current printing partner does.  
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Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2008, 3:23pm
 
Thank you, Mike for the post.  
 
Well...I'm no numbers person either, but I am all for providing a structure that will allow for advertising dollars and profitablility. If GCU can maximize its visibilty, we all win.  I have been very pleased to date with the print quality of the cards and am hoping that a change in printers will not affect this. I am not one of those fortunate to have had a bulk sale, so I have not had to think much about price structure yet.  With a full time job besides, the time I can devote to this right now is minimal, so I have been content to sell strictly online to individuals. It would be great to expand at some point.
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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2008, 4:01pm
 
Smiley I also support the proposed changes. Thank you for giving us so much detail and involving us in the discussion. I have always appreciated GCU's excellent communication.
 
Thank you
 
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