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Shauna_131966
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Aug 27th, 2007, 3:31pm
 
I just joined GCU a few days ago, and I'm looking for some clarification before I do any more cards.  
 
I've been doing cards at Cafepess a couple years, but the template there and the way the the actual card displays is very different.  For instance, the actual image made has extra border area on it that does not display on the card in the marketplace.  With a bit of work, and looking at a finished card in the shop, one can easily put borders on cards. However, here it does not work the same.
 
I've downloaded the GCU template, but the template is only 5x7 where the finished card is also 5x7.  The red dotted line for protecting your image is on the inside of the 5x7 finished size. Everything on the template shows on the card in my GCU shop, even the area that supposedly would get cut off...and I would think that the cards in the shops are what-you-see-is-what-you-get.    
 
So, I made a test card at 1500x2100 / 300dpi.  I put border within the 1/4 inch part of the template that I would assume would be in the area of the card that would be the full bleed area and be cut off, however it shows a perfect border in my shop in my shop for the 5x7 card.  (I do want the border on the card, and I want it to print like it shows in the shop, but if I add extra for full bleed it shows in the shop also.)
 
I read in another post about some using the cafepress template, however, if I use that template, and want to create a printable border around a card , then the card here shows up in the shop with an extra wide border including the full bleed area, not they way I want the finished card to look.
 
So, just how does the GCU template work.  Where is the border for the full bleed area, or is there one.  And will the cards print exactly like they show in our shops because if they do then there is no full bleed area designed in.
 
Hope that wasn't too confusing, lol.  
 
I have 2 cards I want borders to print on.  Again, both were made using the GCU template, but without the red dotted area.  Borders went to exactly the edge of the template and show as such in the shop.  
 
Check out the cards here, and let me know if they will print as shown and what to do about full bleed areas.
 
Thanks in advance for helping to clear up the confusion.
http://www.greetingcarduniverse.com/suchislife
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 27th, 2007, 11:12pm
 
Hi Shauna, I am glad you brought this up. I have been dealing with GCU about this just a few days ago.  I ordered like 25 cards from my shop and they all printed beautifully. The quality of the print is excellent.  The colours are beautiful and really like my real life paintings.  The quality of the cards is wonderful too.  Nice thick paper too.   Smiley  I believe the cards are printed full bleed. I uploaded all excellent quality pics and the exact sizes on the template, etc.  The important elements of my paintings are in the red dotted lines.  This is important because I notice at GCU they print the 5 x7 cards, but what you see is not exactly what you get on screen.  The cards are printed full bleed and some of the sides are cut off during the cutting process.  But for my cards it is not a problem, because the important elements of my paintings are in the red dotted lines.   But for borders, it is a BIG PROBLEM.
 
As the card I had a problem with was one with a border like you are concerned about.  That was  my "Colours of Provence card" and you can see that one at my shop.  It has a blue border around the painting, and the border did not print properly.   SadThe rights side and the bottom of the border were cut off only leaving the border on the top and the left.)   I see your cards Red Hat winter and red hat slippers have nice borders (cute cards btw) and I think you will have a problem with red hat winter - the blue/purple border part of your card if it is not in the dotted line might be cut off like mine was.    If red hat slipper's red line is not in the red border it might also  print like my card did. undecided
 
I thought the cards would print the same as I see on the screen, but that one did not so this was unacceptable for me so I was in contact with GCU and they advised:
 
"Your border will need to fill the entire area outside of our red border in the template, as well as some of the area inside of the red border (see attachment for an example) if it is to always be included in the print.  The area outside of the red border in our template is the bleed edge.  Since the printing process is analog, we can never know for sure where the paper will be cut and end.  Our fulfillment partner indicates that there is a .25 inch machine allowance for cutting, meaning that the cut will fall somewhere within this area. Your image should fill the entire 5x7 inch space but all important elements (copyrights, text, borders, etc.) should be included inside the bleed edge.    
If you would like to resubmit your image, we can assign a few more card credits to your account so that the images can be tested.  I do apologize for the confusion.  If you have any additional questions, please let me know.    
Kind regards,
GCUniverse.com"
 
So I fixed my card and basically in photoshop cropped my image without the border and made the blue border about 1 inch larger and when I overlaid the GC template on top of my revisions, I now had a .25 inch of the blue border safely in the red dotted line - which is what I want and what the painting in real life looks like.  I wish I would have know this before.   So after I fixed my card in question, I ordered another one of my colours of provence and I will see how this works out. I am waiting for my delivery.  If it is not printing correctly now,  I am afraid I will have to remove from my store, because I don’t want the borders to be cut off like this .  Or I will have to remove the border entirely.  And that would be a pity.
 
IMO, I think best to keep everything "important* in the red dotted line.  I am not sure if GGU will print a card with a white border around the image - around that red dotted area.    Perhaps they will and treat it as white space.  I think that would be great too,  Smileybecause then you can centre your images on the card and if you dont have anything outside that safe area - that would be fine.  I also have an account with cafe press and I have some cards full bleed and some fitting nicely centered on the card with a nice small white space border around the image which for some images is perfectly fine and nice.  I also just want to say that I think GCU print quality is better then cafe press.
 
This is whole print and template size is so confusing, because when I print my image from photoshop on my printer –I select exact size - 5 x 7, and NOTHING is cut off.  Now if I resize to 4 x 6 - yes, then some elements are cut off. So in a perfect world...LOL... Grin I would think if our images are 5 x 7 - 1500 x 2100 pixels - 300 dpi and the cards are 5 x 7  they should print exactly the same.  But I understand at GCU they have big printers with big size papers and the printing process is analog and they cant know where the paper will be cut and end.  So again...keep the important stuff in the red borders or make your border as wide as the area from the dotted line area to the edges.
 
What I really want to know is if I have everything in the red border and nothing outside the red dotted line…will that space print as white space – or do they stretch the image.  Stretching the image would be a bad idea and serve no purpose because important elements would be stretched to the edges and again might be cut off.  undecided
 
Sorry, for my long winded post, but this is very important and I am anxious to hear some feedback about this too.  Smiley
 
Bye for now and best wishes,
Lisa Lorenz
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 28th, 2007, 12:02am
 
Thanks so much for your reply! (And I didn't think it long winded at all.)
 
I'm sure I"ll not have a problem with the print quality!   Smiley
 
I surely would however like to see that the images in our shop do NOT show the  bleed border, since from a customer point of view I would definitely think that what I saw in the shop was exactly what I was getting.
 
I do like the fact that CP marketplace images do not show the bleed edge on the card.  It makes it much easier to know exactly what one is getting, plus gives designers the benefit of adding cool borders to their cards because they can see exaclty what will print.  I do hope that GCU will eventually make the change and automatically hide the bleed edge from the shops.
 
I noticed that if I check the box to print  the **  Image by:  ** it shows up on the outside of the red saftey border within the bleed edge, so seems like it wouldn't print even if we wanted it too.
 
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It has a blue border around the painting, and the border did not print properly. SadThe rights side and the bottom of the border were cut off only leaving the border on the top and the left.)

 
This kinda bothers me, since if only the right side and bottom of the border were cut off, andprinted the top and the left, then even without a border would the image print centered?  
 
The length of time it takes to order a printed card for testing just takes too long.  If you made the adjustments, and had to reprint, wait for another card and do it all over again, that card would not make it to the shop in any timely matter.  
 
So far I absolutely love GCU.  I think this is the only thing I have an issue with....and will keep my fingers crossed that they will reconsider the way cards look in the shops to the customers and automatically not show the bleed edge, and the cards would be a what you see is what you get.  This way we can make adjustments and reload as many times as needed in the same day to make sure the cards look right.
 
Just think of all the really cool cards that could be added to GCU when we can truly add borders and know they will print correctly!!!  There are just so many cards that just look better with borders!
 
Ok, I should be off to bed this late, but have 2 new cards to upload, and now need to go add a bleed edge to them...then maybe I'll update my border cards.  Not sure if I'll remove it or add too it.
 
Took a look at your 'province' card.  It's beautiful....and I do think it looks great with the border.
 
Thanks again for the reply!
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 28th, 2007, 6:14pm
 
Greetings,
A lot of great questions have come up in this thread, I'll try my best to address everything.  
 
Our template is 5x7 inches and it includes a .25 inch bleed edge.  As Lisa noted, our fulfillment partner indicates that there is a .25 inch machine allowance.  So the image may be shifted slightly on the press and when cut, but it will always fall within the allowance.  Fine detail should be kept within the red dotted-line to be sure that it appears on the print.
 
This .25 inch allowance makes adding borders to an image very tricky.  If your border is visible within the red dotted-line then it will always appear on the card, however since the card may not always be perfectly centered, theres a chance that thinner borders may look uneven on print.  With a thicker border the inconstancy is hardly noticeable.  
 
We are in the process of modifying the template to so that it does address the issues that come along with borders, and we'll be working with a few artists to find an acceptable solution.  We'll let everyone know when the changes have been completed and added to the site.  
 
Leaving areas of white around your image to act as a border would have the same result as adding a colored border.  If you were to simply leave the area around the safe zone (red-dotted line) white, there's a slight chance that the white may not be included on every corner of the print.  
 
With regard to the full image being displayed on the site, we do not use a .25 inch trim edge on each corner, so there's no need to display a cropped version of the uploaded image.  We are looking into this suggestion though, to determine if there are any enhancements that can be made to either the template or the way that images are displayed.    
 
If you have any additional questions, please let me know.  
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 28th, 2007, 8:29pm
 
Thanks Shaun,
 
It's always good to know you guys are hard at work with what I'm sure is a million things you have to do.  Cheesy  I've already started reworking the card designs...  The fairies were reworked with wider borders and just have a couple red hat designs left to fix and I'll be set!
 
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Reply #5 - Aug 29th, 2007, 2:05am
 
Hi Shaun, thanks so much for your information and all your past help.   Wink Smiley
 
Hi Shauna, and everyone else..This will be of interest of you to see...my new revised card.
 
I am soooo happy... GrinI fixed my colours of provence card for a wider a border and kept lots of the blue border in the dotted area and my card is BEAUTIFUL!   Take a look...at the pic and you can see the before card and after card.  The after card is a beauty!  I also received my second card order of 18 cards and they are beautiful too.
 
"http://www.lisalorenzpaintings.com/IMG_8991-1.jpg"
 
you can see more of my card proofs at my studio blog:
 
"http://lisalorenzstudio.blogspot.com/2007/08/my-colourful-art-cards-some-proofs. html"
 
What a difference... CoolSo now I know how to handle my borders.  But I wont being do too many paintings with borders..LOL..It was soooo much work to paint a straight border liek that on my canvas.
 
Again thanks Shaun and GCU. Cool
 
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Reply #6 - Aug 29th, 2007, 12:24pm
 
Lisa,  
THANK YOU! so much for showing a picture of your finished card.  When I compare it with what the card looks like in your store, and then comparing them with the safety border from the card template you can easily see where the cuts are compared to the template.  This helps out sooooo very much.  Thank you again for sharing! Cheesy
 
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