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Stephie_426394
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PayPal alternatives in the future
Jan 23rd, 2019, 5:48pm
 
Hello, everyone, I just switched my payment method from PayPal to check. I did this because when I went to my PayPal account this month I was asked to provide three types of personal information a scan of my SS card, the scan of a utility bill or other invoice such as mortgage, and a scan of my photo ID. In my opinion, this level of data harvesting is not reasonable. Has anyone else had this experience with PayPal recently? Did you comply or do you think receiving a check is more secure.  
 
Personally, I don't believe that giving an online entity like Paypal that level of personal information is safe. I am hoping that GCU will consider an alternative company that doesn't data harvest. eBay for instance is phasing out PayPal in favor of a different company for the majority of its money transfers by 2020. I not sure if getting away from PayPal will be easy, but I was not comfortable sending Elon Musk, the owner of PayPal, my photo ID. What do you all think?
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Reply #1 - Jan 23rd, 2019, 6:10pm
 
I have never had PayPal ask for that type of information. Curious, are in in the U.S.?
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Reply #2 - Jan 23rd, 2019, 6:31pm
 
I have used PayPal for years and have never been asked for that type of information. That sounds more like a phishing site looking for information than the actual PayPal site. Was the little green lock showing in your address bar to show that it is a verified site (meaning the digital certificate for the site was verified and therefore a secure site)? Or were you locked out of your account for some reason? That is not normal activity in my experience.
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Reply #3 - Jan 23rd, 2019, 7:28pm
 
My thoughts exactly, Tammy.
 
Quote from Tammy_131374 on Jan 23rd, 2019, 6:31pm:
I have used PayPal for years and have never been asked for that type of information. That sounds more like a phishing site looking for information than the actual PayPal site. Was the little green lock showing in your address bar to show that it is a verified site (meaning the digital certificate for the site was verified and therefore a secure site)? Or were you locked out of your account for some reason? That is not normal activity in my experience.

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Reply #4 - Jan 24th, 2019, 7:57am
 
Pay Pal never need all that info from me?
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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2019, 8:04am
 
Wow, no, Ive definitely never been asked for that type of info from PayPal! That doesnt sound right at all.
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Reply #6 - Jan 24th, 2019, 8:06am
 
It is real PayPal. I was able to transfer my funds to my bank account. I didn't enter through an email, but through my usual PayPal login. Also, I was able to send a formal complaint through the page. I checked this morning and it is still demanding scans of my photo ID and SS card by January 27th. The reason given is to prevent money laundering. The sums transferred in my PayPal account are under $1000 a year, so I do not believe this excuse. I believe it is data harvesting because they have lost eBay as their prime client and are being phased out by 2020. Their stock is going down, but through data harvesting they can recoup money through selling our data. They've been caught doing this already. Researching this, I think it is happening to some users in the UK as well as the US.  
 
My plan is to leave my account open with a zero balance. But I won't use them if I can help it. I think you can work around the request for scans of private documents as long as you don't try to send or spend through Paypal. You may be still able to receive and move money to your bank account for the time being.  
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Reply #7 - Jan 24th, 2019, 10:17am
 
Hi Stephie,  
 
After a bit of research here is a site with clear info on what PayPal requires. Anything else is a scam:    
 
https://money.howstuffworks.com/paypal1.htm  
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 24th, 2019, 11:46am
 
I only wish it were a simple scam, Bruce, but unfortunately it is the REAL PayPal that is doing the scamming. I've reported them to Judicial Watch, and will also report them to my state board of governors and the Federal Government. They are saying that they are trying to prevent money laundering and a lot of people are complying by scanning their IDs and passports. I Tweeted a complaint to PayPal directly today and instead of answering me, they deleted my Tweet. Here is a link where you can see the windows that come up when I log into PayPal directly by the way, I never answered any emails from Paypal. I never have, and never will. I always go directly to my LogIn. I've checked at least 10 times now, and this is a scheme PayPal is rolling out themselves it is not a 3rd party scam. If you get this demand for scans of your private documents from PayPal, I urge you to report them to your state Board of Governors. http://www.stephiemccarthy.com/PayPalDocumentation.html
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Reply #9 - Jan 24th, 2019, 1:02pm
 
Thanks for the great information and heads-up. If I/we get the same demands from PayPal that you described I'll certainly not comply and will definitely report them and close the account. Those demands would be excessive and would require reporting.  
 
Stephie, thanks again.
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 24th, 2019, 2:10pm
 
You're welcome, Bruce. I have reported PayPal to my state Governor's office and to Judicial Watch. When the Federal government reopens, I will report them to the Federal Trade Commission. I want the companies I work with to know that PayPal is not the company we all signed up with so many years ago, and to be ready with a backup plan for money transfers by a more trust worthy company.    
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Reply #11 - Jan 25th, 2019, 8:06am
 
Wow! Thanks Stephanie for bringing this up. I will be following this closely to see what is going on!
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Reply #12 - Jan 25th, 2019, 8:08am
 
Hi Stephanie,
 
Sorry to bother you with one last question - was all this triggered by applying for a PayPal credit card?
 
Thanks,
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 25th, 2019, 9:27am
 
Hi, Bruce, I barely use PayPal at all and did not change anything and have had an account there for around 15 years.  I found out that this demand for private documents is enabled by the Patriot Act. Our own government is allowing PayPal to demand private documents to be stored on commercial servers. It's just not right. I'm educating myself on legislation that is designed to get rid of the Patriot Act. I will not be sending any scans of my private documents to a company that sells it's data overseas they've already been caught doing that.
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Reply #14 - Feb 1st, 2019, 3:08am
 
Only time they asked for any additional documents showing my address was when my account was hacked and withdraws were made in another state. But they wanted the information through our sherif department along with a report of fraud from them. I had money back in my account within a day.
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Reply #15 - Feb 1st, 2019, 8:18am
 
Has anyone received their PayPal payment for last quarter yet?  If checks went out yesterday then I would think our deposits into PayPal would have too.  I tried finding where it said the PayPal deposits would be made but can't find anything.  TIA and Happy Friday!  Smiley
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Reply #16 - Feb 1st, 2019, 10:19am
 
Hi Jane,
 
I Received mine on January 30 through PayPal. I spent it already on something foolish.
 
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Reply #17 - Feb 1st, 2019, 5:01pm
 
We are following this thread and will remain alert to all businesses we partner with to make sure they have sound, safe, and fair practices.  
 
Echoing the majority of the artists here, we have not heard of these issues.
 
Sounds like it is part of this effort / policy by PayPal:
https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/PayPal%E2%80%99s-Customer-Identifica tion-Program-(CIP)-and-its-benefits-FAQ734
 
Noting: Each country or region has specific CIP requirements
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Reply #18 - Feb 2nd, 2019, 7:29am
 
Thank you, Mindy, for posting the CIP write-up. That makes sense to me and I for one support it. I've had my bank account and online accounts hacked before. I use Paypal because they have always had a more secure environment than many other options and running to the bank for me, is a 40-mile round trip.  
 
I see nothing in their request of ID that is unreasonable to secure my personal account. I have not been asked, as of yet anyway, for any of these pieces of identification, but understand and support the need in today's world.
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Reply #19 - Feb 2nd, 2019, 7:53am
 
PayPal is easily hacked. I've researched this. They've also sold our data to more than 600 companies! I've used them for 15 years with no problems and not very large amounts annually passing through. Law enforcement is supposed to have a judge-issued warrant to invade your privacy when they suspect money laundering. I do not support the Patriot Act or CIP and look forward to when it's repealed. I won't support a company's casual requests for scans of my private documents. I've gotten more than 50 messages on Facebook claiming that this must be a hoax. This tells you how inappropriate CIP is. I've got insurance against ID theft, but like most people, I'm not going to make it easy for thieves to duplicate my data. I am shocked when I read people say oh just go along with it. I'd recommend you think twice before putting your private documents on the Internet. Just saying!
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Reply #20 - Feb 3rd, 2019, 7:50am
 
Cheesy
 
Never have had a problem with Paypal, in all my years using it! #thankful
 
THANKS for a great year and my last payment GCU! Here's to a successful year to everyone!
 
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Reply #21 - Feb 4th, 2019, 10:33am
 
Greetings!
 
This isn't regarding the PayPal issue that was raised, but I want to mention that I've been getting checks from GCU for over 10 years now.  They're always for the correct amount and I usually get them about 2 days after they're sent out.  I've been very happy with getting my payments this way and would recommend checks to anyone who has concerns about PayPal.
 
Just my 1-cent.  Wink
 
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Reply #22 - Feb 5th, 2019, 7:09am
 
Quote from Penny_134243 on Feb 4th, 2019, 10:33am:
Greetings!

This isn't regarding the PayPal issue that was raised, but I want to mention that I've been getting checks from GCU for over 10 years now. They're always for the correct amount and I usually get them about 2 days after they're sent out. I've been very happy with getting my payments this way and would recommend checks to anyone who has concerns about PayPal.

Just my 1-cent. Wink

Penny Smiley

 
 
WISH WE HAD 'LIKE' BUTTONS OR 'LAUGHING' BUTTONS PENNY!!
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Reply #23 - Feb 5th, 2019, 7:15am
 
That's what I thought too, Cherie. I wanted to LIKE that comment about checks so glad I switched to that. Probably when they reconfigure the Internet for increased security, which they are doing now I've heard, money can go directly to someone's account without the middle men who sell your data. The Internet sort of grew up before e-commerce was a thing, so that's why it's a bit dicey out there still.
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Reply #24 - Feb 5th, 2019, 12:47pm
 
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